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Old 03-19-2013, 07:44 PM   #361
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Love them or hate them, it will be sad when these guys retire. Young/Tomic/Dimitrov/Sock competing for slams would quickly turn this sport into a fiasco WTA is experiencing right now
True.

It's unbelivable to see that this group of 25-27 years old players are completely unchallended by the younger ones.

After Del Potro, there is just nobody even close of challenging them.

There is a lost generation.
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Old 04-11-2013, 07:42 AM   #362
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Not necessarily true. Laver was 5-9 or 10, Rosewall 5-7. Had they been born 40 or more years later, chances are due to nutrition and evolution they would be a few inches taller, and therefore, stronger. Still, despite their size they were beating players taller then they were. Gonzalez was 6-2, Newcombe, Hoad, Emerson, Roche, Ashe, Passerall were 6 footers or close. With modern equipment and training techniques, great athletes of the past would be great tennis players today. The same is true of any other sport too.
in the 50s and 60s there were probably a couple of thousand (maybe 10thousands) kids between 10 and 20 playing tennis on a regular basis. In the 90s and 00s there were millions! So we can take a guess and say there were probably a lot of guys with about Lavers talent in the 90s and 00s but only 3 with Djokovic, Nadal and Federers talents
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in the 50s and 60s there were probably a couple of thousand (maybe 10thousands) kids between 10 and 20 playing tennis on a regular basis. In the 90s and 00s there were millions! So we can take a guess and say there were probably a lot of guys with about Lavers talent in the 90s and 00s but only 3 with Djokovic, Nadal and Federers talents
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Old 04-22-2013, 03:19 AM   #364
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Default Re: Roger : We are best ever, The four of us? Thatís a really difficult call.

Laver would have been amazing in this era or in the 80s, 90s, or 2000s. Just like Pete would be great today with his 145 mph serve.

I hear stuff like John McEnroe would have been bad in this era, and I think, if he played in this era, he wouldn't be a serve and volleyer, he would be an aggressive baseliner. But the talent and the champion qualities would still be there.
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:29 PM   #365
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Default Re: Roger : We are best ever, The four of us? Thatís a really difficult call.

Also, Fed was being hailed as the greatest long before his Slam records. It seemed obvious he would break them in 2004-2006.
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Also, Fed was being hailed as the greatest long before his Slam records. It seemed obvious he would break them in 2004-2006.
Federer won most of his slams in a very weak period,03-08. He couldn't even dominate a pre peak Nadal. In the 60's, which was the most competitive era of the the Pro Tour you had: Gonzalez, Rosewall, Laver and Hoad in their prime competing against each other. Rosewall lost 11 years playing the regular slams, Laver lost 5, Gonzales 14 or 15. Whether the older players could compete against today's players is NOT the point, it is how you did against and the quality of competition of the era you played in. Laver, Rosewall, and Gonzalez were just as victorious as Federer ever was against tougher competition on the pro tour.
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Federer won most of his slams in a very weak period,03-08. He couldn't even dominate a pre peak Nadal. In the 60's, which was the most competitive era of the the Pro Tour you had: Gonzalez, Rosewall, Laver and Hoad in their prime competing against each other. Rosewall lost 11 years playing the regular slams, Laver lost 5, Gonzales 14 or 15. Whether the older players could compete against today's players is NOT the point, it is how you did against and the quality of competition of the era you played in. Laver, Rosewall, and Gonzalez were just as victorious as Federer ever was against tougher competition on the pro tour.
Convenient that the "strong" era started when your favourite player began to win more majors, isn't it?

I'm getting fed up with this bullshit. "Weak" this, "strong" that: Jesus fucking Christ, it sounds so idiotic.

Incidentally, how can 2003-2008 be considered "weak" when one of the best players of all time was playing at his peak? Seems like this very factor is enough to make it special.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:33 AM   #368
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lol Fed vulture in a talentless 2003-7 era when there was no one playing well on clay, grass & hardcourt... Not even physically fit and flexible athletes in that era. At least there was no player with "16 injuries".
Those guys avoided clay, grass & indoor events. .... LMAO Strong era.

Since when did Davydenko define an era?
Yeah, Djoker had 41 match win streak. Another win streak in autumn 2012. He destroyed healthy Fed & Nadal on clay and had a good fight vs. Murray. Yet, he's weak.

Sure, boy, Fed should point his finger & cry some more. It shows how desperate he is. He thinks the Roddicks & Hewitts were "great players" too.
He needed to look like a fighter on the rainy Wimbledon grass vs. "hot" Roddick. LOL
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Federer won most of his slams in a very weak period,03-08. He couldn't even dominate a pre peak Nadal. In the 60's, which was the most competitive era of the the Pro Tour you had: Gonzalez, Rosewall, Laver and Hoad in their prime competing against each other. Rosewall lost 11 years playing the regular slams, Laver lost 5, Gonzales 14 or 15. Whether the older players could compete against today's players is NOT the point, it is how you did against and the quality of competition of the era you played in. Laver, Rosewall, and Gonzalez were just as victorious as Federer ever was against tougher competition on the pro tour.
The 60s players obviously had less competition than now. The tour was split in two. Some of the talent never played against the top players. Certainly they would have combined to make some sort of impart, winning occasionally. You can't say for instance Emerson would have lost 100% of matches against Laver, Gonzalez and Rosewall. Anyone who says Federer had less competition does so simply because they don't like him, with no logic whatsoever to back up their claim.
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lol Fed vulture in a talentless 2003-7 era when there was no one playing well on clay, grass & hardcourt... Not even physically fit and flexible athletes in that era. At least there was no player with "16 injuries".
Those guys avoided clay, grass & indoor events. .... LMAO Strong era.

Since when did Davydenko define an era?
Yeah, Djoker had 41 match win streak. Another win streak in autumn 2012. He destroyed healthy Fed & Nadal on clay and had a good fight vs. Murray. Yet, he's weak.

Sure, boy, Fed should point his finger & cry some more. It shows how desperate he is. He thinks the Roddicks & Hewitts were "great players" too.
He needed to look like a fighter on the rainy Wimbledon grass vs. "hot" Roddick. LOL
Fed pioneered the new age all court and whole season tennis that's why all look weak. The rest of the field will adjust to improve to the level required to compete. Thats where u get Djoker, Nadal, Murray.

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Convenient that the "strong" era started when your favourite player began to win more majors, isn't it?

I'm getting fed up with this bullshit. "Weak" this, "strong" that: Jesus fucking Christ, it sounds so idiotic.

Incidentally, how can 2003-2008 be considered "weak" when one of the best players of all time was playing at his peak? Seems like this very factor is enough to make it special.
it`s stupid with this tards trying to talk abut tennis.

if federer is a weak era champion , this era is real cracp , because this weak era champion or goat was nļ1 in this era , and is nļ2 too , won slams , masters cup and all the titles in this era too.

he won more slams than murray since 2008 to now and one or two less than djoko.

old federer and past his peak was the only who could puts harder the thing for 2011 djoko and the last year h2h was 3-2 for djoko , only one match against an old federer......

federer without nadal and with only nole and murray like main rival would have more than 18 slams for sure and much more weak iin nļ1.

murray is not even better than safin or hewitt.
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murray is not even better than safin or hewitt.
Peak Safin would have blown Murray out of the court
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Federer won most of his slams in a very weak period,03-08. He couldn't even dominate a pre peak Nadal. In the 60's, which was the most competitive era of the the Pro Tour you had: Gonzalez, Rosewall, Laver and Hoad in their prime competing against each other. Rosewall lost 11 years playing the regular slams, Laver lost 5, Gonzales 14 or 15. Whether the older players could compete against today's players is NOT the point, it is how you did against and the quality of competition of the era you played in. Laver, Rosewall, and Gonzalez were just as victorious as Federer ever was against tougher competition on the pro tour.
haha your clueless i bet you say fed beat baby nadal but forget to mention the fact that laver beat grandpa pancho gonzales who was 10 years older than laver. and who laver only met when gonzales was already well past 30 years of age. and your probably speaking from reading stuff on these players rather than you actually watching them if not you wouldnt be spouting such nonsense. laver in this day and age would be like fabrice santoro at best, and no he really wouldnt be that great i mean who under 5 feet 10 has been a great in the last 20 years. laver would have little power and would not survive in the current climate of tennis. mabye in the 90s he would have success indoors and on grass but he would truly struggle now
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Federer won most of his slams in a very weak period,03-08. He couldn't even dominate a pre peak Nadal. In the 60's, which was the most competitive era of the the Pro Tour you had: Gonzalez, Rosewall, Laver and Hoad in their prime competing against each other. Rosewall lost 11 years playing the regular slams, Laver lost 5, Gonzales 14 or 15. Whether the older players could compete against today's players is NOT the point, it is how you did against and the quality of competition of the era you played in. Laver, Rosewall, and Gonzalez were just as victorious as Federer ever was against tougher competition on the pro tour.
Keep saying that to yourself until it satisfies you. Federer has been praised by many legends as well as current players as the greatest to play the game. Period.

Regarding dominating Nadal yes he didn't. It more like he couldn't because he had a terrible match up problem against him . Lefty topspin to a single hander.

Most of the other 'great" one handers couldn't win a single set against Rafa. It was not possible for Fed to develop a two hander in the middle of his career just to face Nadal.
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Default Re: Roger : We are best ever, The four of us? Thatís a really difficult call.

I really don't understand this weak era crap that haters keep going on about. Most of the tennis played from 2003-2007 was awesome. It's like people hear of Baghdatis and Gonzalez being in Slam finals and because they haven't won a Slam it's a "weak era." Yet they don't actually watch the tennis those two played to reach their Slam finals. If they call it a weak era because only Federer had significant achievements, I don't know what to say. Of course Fed cleaned up at 3 of the 4 Slams and many other tournaments (18/19 finals 2006? Hello.)

But let's look at the players in that era:

Federer, Agassi, Nadal, Hewitt, Roddick, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Haas, Blake, Coria, Gaudio, Safin, Djokovic (07), Gasquet, Kiefer, Henman.... that's a pretty decent era I think over the spa of 4-5 years.
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