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Old 02-20-2013, 11:43 AM   #361
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:30 PM   #362
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disgusting arrogance as usual from the swiss

nothing to see here, moving on
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:09 AM   #363
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Default Re: Roger : We are best ever, The four of us? Thatís a really difficult call.

laver was a genius , if this players would play against him with that technology , laver would own all of them.

anyway , for me fed it`s goat not by his titles , because for me he showed the most beatiful game , technnique , adaptation on the surfaces and a perfect balanced tennis of all times , it`s a classic player in modern times.

because all of thaT + the plus of the records and titles , he has the game and the archivements , perfect balance
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:03 AM   #364
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laver was a genius , if this players would play against him with that technology , laver would own all of them.
Incorrect. Laver would fail in this era because his physicality isn't suited towards modern game. He would get eaten alive by Nadal or Djokovic on any surface.
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Incorrect. Laver would fail in this era because his physicality isn't suited towards modern game. He would get eaten alive by Nadal or Djokovic on any surface.
but he would eat Djokovic and Nadal alive if they played in the 60s with those wooden racquets and where the athletes could not train to be as physical as they are today
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but he would eat Djokovic and Nadal alive if they played in the 60s with those wooden racquets and where the athletes could not train to be as physical as they are today
I am talking about Laver growing up in modern era with modern tech. In the modern game his physical limitations would soon become apparent. It's not even about talent, it's his lack of height, athleticism and brute physicality that's required today. He would probably be on Ferrer's level, but nowhere near a slam.
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Greatest top 3 combined with the weakest rest of the field.
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Greatest top 3 combined with the weakest rest of the field.
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I am talking about Laver growing up in modern era with modern tech. In the modern game his physical limitations would soon become apparent. It's not even about talent, it's his lack of height, athleticism and brute physicality that's required today. He would probably be on Ferrer's level, but nowhere near a slam.
Not necessarily true. Laver was 5-9 or 10, Rosewall 5-7. Had they been born 40 or more years later, chances are due to nutrition and evolution they would be a few inches taller, and therefore, stronger. Still, despite their size they were beating players taller then they were. Gonzalez was 6-2, Newcombe, Hoad, Emerson, Roche, Ashe, Passerall were 6 footers or close. With modern equipment and training techniques, great athletes of the past would be great tennis players today. The same is true of any other sport too.
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Love them or hate them, it will be sad when these guys retire. Young/Tomic/Dimitrov/Sock competing for slams would quickly turn this sport into a fiasco WTA is experiencing right now
True.

It's unbelivable to see that this group of 25-27 years old players are completely unchallended by the younger ones.

After Del Potro, there is just nobody even close of challenging them.

There is a lost generation.
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Not necessarily true. Laver was 5-9 or 10, Rosewall 5-7. Had they been born 40 or more years later, chances are due to nutrition and evolution they would be a few inches taller, and therefore, stronger. Still, despite their size they were beating players taller then they were. Gonzalez was 6-2, Newcombe, Hoad, Emerson, Roche, Ashe, Passerall were 6 footers or close. With modern equipment and training techniques, great athletes of the past would be great tennis players today. The same is true of any other sport too.
in the 50s and 60s there were probably a couple of thousand (maybe 10thousands) kids between 10 and 20 playing tennis on a regular basis. In the 90s and 00s there were millions! So we can take a guess and say there were probably a lot of guys with about Lavers talent in the 90s and 00s but only 3 with Djokovic, Nadal and Federers talents
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in the 50s and 60s there were probably a couple of thousand (maybe 10thousands) kids between 10 and 20 playing tennis on a regular basis. In the 90s and 00s there were millions! So we can take a guess and say there were probably a lot of guys with about Lavers talent in the 90s and 00s but only 3 with Djokovic, Nadal and Federers talents
great point buzz
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Default Re: Roger : We are best ever, The four of us? Thatís a really difficult call.

Laver would have been amazing in this era or in the 80s, 90s, or 2000s. Just like Pete would be great today with his 145 mph serve.

I hear stuff like John McEnroe would have been bad in this era, and I think, if he played in this era, he wouldn't be a serve and volleyer, he would be an aggressive baseliner. But the talent and the champion qualities would still be there.
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Default Re: Roger : We are best ever, The four of us? Thatís a really difficult call.

Also, Fed was being hailed as the greatest long before his Slam records. It seemed obvious he would break them in 2004-2006.
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Also, Fed was being hailed as the greatest long before his Slam records. It seemed obvious he would break them in 2004-2006.
Federer won most of his slams in a very weak period,03-08. He couldn't even dominate a pre peak Nadal. In the 60's, which was the most competitive era of the the Pro Tour you had: Gonzalez, Rosewall, Laver and Hoad in their prime competing against each other. Rosewall lost 11 years playing the regular slams, Laver lost 5, Gonzales 14 or 15. Whether the older players could compete against today's players is NOT the point, it is how you did against and the quality of competition of the era you played in. Laver, Rosewall, and Gonzalez were just as victorious as Federer ever was against tougher competition on the pro tour.
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