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Old 01-26-2013, 01:35 PM   #346
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Federer was the best of all time when he had 6 Slams.......not the greatest yet be the best 100%

No, you can't compare a guy like Federer and Laver for exemple, who plays with wooden rackets and totally differents surfaces. The same with Djokovic. Without these new super rackets (Agassi said that the first time he used them he was chocked because he couldn't miss any shot) and these slow surfaces, how good he would be?

Same with Federer, Nadal....
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:38 PM   #347
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No, you can't compare a guy like Federer and Laver for exemple, who plays with wooden rackets and totally differents surfaces. The same with Djokovic. Without these new super rackets (Agassi said that the first time he used them he was chocked because he couldn't miss any shot) and these slow surfaces, how good he would be?

Same with Federer, Nadal....
yes I can compare Federer to overrated Laver because Laver in today's tennis would lose left and right.......Federer is without question the best of all time with record or without them
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:40 PM   #348
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Those record was broken easily by top 4, next
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yes I can compare Federer to overrated Laver because Laver in today's tennis would lose left and right.......Federer is without question the best of all time with record or without them

In 50 years, rackets will possibility be so strongs than an average tennis player would kill Federer. It means nothing, because we don't know how well Federer would play with these rackets, like we don't know how Laver would have played with the rackets which are availables today.
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In 50 years, rackets will possibility be so strongs than an average tennis player would kill Federer. It means nothing, because we don't know how well Federer would play with these rackets, like we don't know how Laver would have played with the rackets which are availables today.
I am talking about talent.....sure I never seen Laver except on youtube but Fed owns him in everything
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I am talking about talent.....sure I never seen Laver except on youtube but Fed owns him in everything
So you never seen Laver but you know he had less talent than Federer

Thanks for the laugh
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So you never seen Laver but you know he had less talent than Federer

Thanks for the laugh
and you did?I said youtube videos only way to see him
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No, a fiasco is when the top players are shit. If you look at the top now, most of them are good and each plays a different style, the top 10 has a lot of depth atm.
Agreed. Ladies' tennis is finally coming back. Serena still dominates, but Azarenka, Sharapova, Li Na, Stosur, Kvitova are all good players and worthy competition. The period where a Jelena Jankovic could get a #1 ranking is over.
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Like all these crap commentators, Agassi try to promote tennis. In 2020, Agassi, Trollander and co will say that Tomic play better than any player ever played before... Nobody will say "well, tennis players are averages today comparing to pasts champions" Casuals fans need to think that their champions are the bests.

It was the same when everyone called Federer the "best ever" even though he had only 6 slams. It was disrespectful for pasts legends like Laver, Gonzalez, Hoad...

I like Federer because he never said these kinds of statements, he's very respectful of pasts champions. Djokovic said many times than him and his mates raised tennis to a new level. His tennis knowledege is poor. I remember, in 2009 (Nadal had 4 FO) a journalist ask him who had won the most FO in the history (Borg easily at that time). He answered a shit like "i don't know... Nadal?"
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Like all these crap commentators, Agassi try to promote tennis. In 2020, Agassi, Trollander and co will say that Tomic play better than any player ever played before... Nobody will say "well, tennis players are averages today comparing to pasts champions" Casuals fans need to think that their champions are the bests.

It was the same when everyone called Federer the "best ever" even though he had only 6 slams. It was disrespectful for pasts legends like Laver, Gonzalez, Hoad...

I like Federer because he never said these kinds of statements, he's very respectful of pasts champions. Djokovic said many times than him and his mates raised tennis to a new level. His tennis knowledege is poor. I remember, in 2009 (Nadal had 4 FO) a journalist ask him who had won the most FO in the history (Borg easily at that time). He answered a shit like "i don't know... Nadal?"
Why would he? He would be throwing stones at his own legacy, it doesn't make any sense. And Agassi is only an example, many other past legends have stated similar things and most tennis commentators and pundits say the same. If that is not enough for you, well it's a matter of opinion. But I'll take theirs a thousand times before yours.
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Err...GREAT argument right there.
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