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Old 09-03-2012, 02:50 AM   #181
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The reason doesn't really matter. If your not fit to compete you're not gonna win. The final record is the final record.
That's true, good point. Otherwise you'd be saying stuff like if Safin was mentally tougher, then he'd have the Slam record by now too. Sports is a physical game - the person who can best execute the sport physically will tend to win. Nadal obviously isn't able to execute it as consistently as Federer. It's like saying Bolt is only good because he's not injured often, and his peers are always getting injured. Don't make me laugh - he's got 2x Olympic 100m and 200m - that's what counts. Federer has 17 Grand Slams. Enough said?
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:51 AM   #182
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True, but still, Nadal can actually say he never lost a match when healthy. That's why he's the GOAT, that and the H2H vs Federer of course.
Federer never lost when he was healthy too. I know him personally and am involved in his physiotherapy. His back is actually causing him a lot of pain - he takes pain killers often before matches.
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Federer never lost when he was healthy too.
Never heard any Fed fan make that claim. Ever.
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:54 AM   #184
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Never heard any Fed fan make that claim. Ever.
That's why they are just fans. You need to hear stuff from people who know Federer personally.
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The main difference between Roger and Nadal to me has been HEALTH. Rafa would have surpassed the slam record long ago (maybe even before Federer) if his health didn't do him in.. Rafa came into tennis with health issues. Roger has had damn near perfect health so he hasn't missed a beat in that regard. Roger has had either amazing luck or something else.. Generaly you don't play as long on top as Roger has without some major physical issue concern REGARDLESS of your style of play. Ive seen a lot of guys with effortless type of tennis play who still get injured and major injuries which keep them out of action for a while.


Yea playing styles of some to do with it of course is well.. But Rafa already had foot issues (which could have caused his knee issues later) before he even became a tennis player.

Its a shame really for Nadal really in that regard.
Genetics help. Good genetics play into the GOAT competition But yes, playing the way Nadal does definitely doesn't help his health. The injury he has now is from playing too physically.
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Genetics help. Good genetics play into the GOAT competition But yes, playing the way Nadal does definitely doesn't help his health. The injury he has now is from playing too physically.
Are you implying that Nadal takes performance enhancing drugs to play "too physically", such that his natural body can't handle it?
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Health or injury. What came first? The chicken of the egg?

The answer is of course uncle Tony.
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So you think it was a deliberate gamble? Destroy your knees, you won't need them for sea bass fishing?
Yes i do think it was deliberate gamble. Top athletes have done it many times in history to achieve great things. They decide the risk is worth the reward ( and the money). I dont think bass fishing figures into the equation.

The Rafa camp has knows for many years the physical limitations. This is nothing new.
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what is with you guys in these threads, i mean the man hasnt been playing for like 2 months i thought you guys dont miss him. good LAWD is he that popular?
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Are you implying that Nadal takes performance enhancing drugs to play "too physically", such that his natural body can't handle it?
I think he means it is a sport injury, an injury sustain because of high level sports performance.
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I think he means it is a sport injury, an injury sustain because of high level sports performance.
Yes, high level sports on performance enhancing drugs right?
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I think he means it is a sport injury, an injury sustain because of high level sports performance.
yeah i agree, i don't think or would ever accuse Rafa of drug use. They are tested so much it would have come out. That's true of all the top guys.
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Roger may be a better player in the overall history of the sport stats-wise, may have the 'better' game stylistically with his all-court game, may even be the GOAT but head to head versus Nadal, Nadal is better.
On the day, when these two have played in Major tournaments, eight times Nadal has won the last point. Eight times, eighty percent of the time on the game's biggest stages, Rafael nadal beats Roger Federer and so that makes Nadal the better player of the two.
That computes to me no problem.
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Roger may be a better player in the overall history of the sport stats-wise, may have the 'better' game stylistically with his all-court game, may even be the GOAT but head to head versus Nadal, Nadal is better.
On the day, when these two have played in Major tournaments, eight times Nadal has won the last point. Eight times, eighty percent of the time on the game's biggest stages, Rafael nadal beats Roger Federer and so that makes Nadal the better player of the two.
That computes to me no problem.
Except that just about more than half of those 8 times, they played on clay?
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Yes, high level sports on performance enhancing drugs right?
No. Just that this particular type of injury is found in athletes, mostly from jumping sports. So in a way, Rafa's jubilant jumping fist pump celebration might have contributed to his health demise.
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