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Old 09-03-2012, 02:23 AM   #166
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:23 AM   #167
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The main difference between Roger and Nadal to me has been HEALTH. Rafa would have surpassed the slam record long ago (maybe even before Federer) if his health didn't do him in.. Rafa came into tennis with health issues. Roger has had damn near perfect health so he hasn't missed a beat in that regard. Roger has had either amazing luck or something else.. Generaly you don't play as long on top as Roger has without some major physical issue concern REGARDLESS of your style of play. Ive seen a lot of guys with effortless type of tennis play who still get injured and major injuries which keep them out of action for a while.


Yea playing styles of some to do with it of course is well.. But Rafa already had foot issues (which could have caused his knee issues later) before he even became a tennis player.

Its a shame really for Nadal really in that regard.
Nadal's health problems has a lot to do with Nadal trying hard to overtake Federer, to match Federer's level of domination without having the right style of play to have a realistic shot at achieving that because too taxing on the body.


Style of play has everything to do with both Federer and Nadal having an injury free career and undefeated when uninjured career respectively. With the mileage adding up, Nadal is only able to dominate on clay. Then he breaks down.

Nadal pushed too hard with what he was given to start with. He overdid it. He has no one to blame but himself. And uncle Tony.
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:28 AM   #168
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I swear I watched about 9 major finals between these two and Nadal won 7 of them. He sure looked the better player to me.
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The main difference between Roger and Nadal to me has been HEALTH. Rafa would have surpassed the slam record long ago (maybe even before Federer) if his health didn't do him in...
Rafa's health problems is a direct consequence of his gamestyle. Whereas Federer embodies tennis.

anyway Rafa just said you know nothing about tennis
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I swear I watched about 9 major finals between these two and Nadal won 7 of them. He sure looked the better player to me.
You do understand that you have to look at more than the H2H vs 1 player to assess if a player is better than another one right? There are other variables, a great number of them more relevant than an individual H2H, to consider.
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just stating the obvious really

but its a classy move from rafa

normally nadal fans would destroy anyone who said this but if its rafa himself they are conflicted

they dont wanna put him down
but they'd never place any player above him
and they loathe roger
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Nadal's health problems has a lot to do with Nadal trying hard to overtake Federer, to match Federer's level of domination without having the right style of play to have a realistic shot at achieving that because too taxing on the body.


Style of play has everything to do with both Federer and Nadal having an injury free career and undefeated when uninjured career respectively. With the mileage adding up, Nadal is only able to dominate on clay. Then he breaks down.

Nadal pushed too hard with what he was given to start with. He overdid it. He has no one to blame but himself. And uncle Tony.
I don't know if it's fair assessment he pushed too hard. They have known about the physical limitations for quite some time. If he didn't push so hard unlikely he would have achieved what he has. Sometimes it's a gamble taken to push hard have a great few years to in the end have a shorter career.

I for one would much prefer to see Rafa give it his all and have achieved what he has, then alter things so much he just couldn't compete. Even on the off chance he never plays another match, he's achieved a record few others will ever match.
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I swear I watched about 9 major finals between these two and Nadal won 7 of them. He sure looked the better player to me.
I swear I saw Federer win more slams WHILE NADAL WAS ACTIVE. If Nadal can beat Federer, how come he has less slams. THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE!
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clownfederer says roddick is the great guy who creates good practical jokes,... if fed vanquishes great titans roddick and hewitt 9 times in slams, why not destroy a slumped djokovic?
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The main difference between Roger and Nadal to me has been HEALTH. Rafa would have surpassed the slam record long ago (maybe even before Federer) if his health didn't do him in.. Rafa came into tennis with health issues. Roger has had damn near perfect health so he hasn't missed a beat in that regard. Roger has had either amazing luck or something else.. Generaly you don't play as long on top as Roger has without some major physical issue concern REGARDLESS of your style of play. Ive seen a lot of guys with effortless type of tennis play who still get injured and major injuries which keep them out of action for a while.


Yea playing styles of some to do with it of course is well.. But Rafa already had foot issues (which could have caused his knee issues later) before he even became a tennis player.

Its a shame really for Nadal really in that regard.
You obviously haven't been reading any of my recent posts. Even if you're the better player (better skill/stamina/technique), it doesn't mean you will win the match. Just ask Nadal when he lost to Rosol or when he lost 3 straight slam finals for the first time in history. Just ask Sampras when he got knocked out in 4th rounds and 2nd rounds of Grand Slams in his prime.

This is why what Federer has achieved is incredible. It shouldn't be possible to be world no. 1 for 290+ total weeks. It shouldn't be possible to win 15+ Grand Slams so quickly. It shouldn't be possible to be world no. 1 for 237 consecutive weeks, reach 10 straight slam finals, 23 straight slam semi-finals, and 33 straight quarter-finals (and counting). Just ask anyone who has ever played the game of tennis. This is why everyone considers Federer to the one of the greatest of all time, and many consider him as THE greatest. What he has done in the last 10 years just shouldn't be possible!
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I swear I saw Federer win more slams WHILE NADAL WAS ACTIVE. If Nadal can beat Federer, how come he has less slams. THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE!
Nadal was injured?
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I don't know if it's fair assessment he pushed too hard. They have known about the physical limitations for quite some time. If he didn't push so hard unlikely he would have achieved what he has. Sometimes it's a gamble taken to push hard have a great few years to in the end have a shorter career.

I for one would much prefer to see Rafa give it his all and have achieved what he has, then alter things so much he just couldn't compete. Even on the off chance he never plays another match, he's achieved a record few others will ever match.
So you think it was a deliberate gamble? Destroy your knees, you won't need them for sea bass fishing?
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Nadal was injured?
The reason doesn't really matter. If your not fit to compete you're not gonna win. The final record is the final record.
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The reason doesn't really matter. If your not fit to compete you're not gonna win. The final record is the final record.
True, but still, Nadal can actually say he never lost a match when healthy. That's why he's the GOAT, that and the H2H vs Federer of course.
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