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Old 12-12-2012, 06:23 PM   #256
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Some people don't even make 24,000$ a year... how does losing in the first round make you deserving of 24,000$ please explain?
grand slams generate by far the most money from all tournaments, then top-100 players consider that it's like a reward for what they did to get to their ranking to get big money just to take part in there, and anyway, they thought there was a possibility for demanding/negotiation there as the share of the tournament's money which goes to players seems to be less in slams than in other tournaments.

The problem is that it's an incentive for players who are injured to take part rather than withdraw, just to get the first round loser's prize money, as it happened several times in recent years.

I have to say that I wondered if it was a coincidence that Russian men (Tursunov, Bogomolov, Youzhny) + an Ukrainian guy (Stakhovsky) were the ones demanding more money (that is for them) in slams first and especially for men rather than women (to get more for them ), and that it's a Russian woman (Sharapova) thinking that maybe they should give less for early round losers and more for top-players (that is herself). From what I've heard, modern Russian people are very eager for money
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:59 PM   #257
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Some people don't even make 24,000$ a year... how does losing in the first round make you deserving of 24,000$ please explain?
85% of full time tennis players dont break even, is that explanation enough? There has to be some kind of financial incentive at the end of the tunnel.

(Although I would rather see an increase in ATP and challenger prize money)
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I think Grand Slams should be expanded to 192 players, to spread the wealth a bit more down the rankings.
That would cost very little to the Grand Slams' organizers.
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I think Grand Slams should be expanded to 192 players, to spread the wealth a bit more down the rankings.
That would cost very little to the Grand Slams' organizers.
good idea but clearly top-100 players wouldn't agree : guys like Stakhovsky clearly said they wanted to keep the money for themselves even if they need a 2-year ranking system to be protected (even though for Stakhovsky himself he may change his mind now that his ranking has gone down )
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:39 PM   #260
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I think Grand Slams should be expanded to 192 players, to spread the wealth a bit more down the rankings.
That would cost very little to the Grand Slams' organizers.
They already struggle with transport, practice courts, officials, etc, adding 128 players is not an option.

By the way, playing GS qualifying pays quite well.
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They already struggle with transport, practice courts, officials, etc, adding 128 players is not an option.

By the way, playing GS qualifying pays quite well.
That could be partly instead of qualifiers, that will have 96 players fighting for 24 spots.
It will also generate more money as there would be an extra round (without the seeded players though).
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27K to player in front of 50 spectators on court 15 is indeed very good money.
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27K to player in front of 50 spectators on court 15 is indeed very good money.
In particular, 27k to show up injured/unprepared and get thrashed in 90 minutes is indeed very good money.
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They finally announced the increases in the Aus Open prizemoney.


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1st round	$20,800		$27,600
2nd Round	$33,300		$45,500
3rd Round	$54,625		$71,000
4th Round	$109,250	$125,000
QF		$218,500	$250,000
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85% of full time tennis players dont break even, is that explanation enough?
Yeah, if you ignore the fact that they actually do have control over whether they break even. Although it does require having an awareness of how the world works outside of fantasy land.
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grand slams generate by far the most money from all tournaments, then top-100 players consider that it's like a reward for what they did to get to their ranking to get big money just to take part in there, and anyway, they thought there was a possibility for demanding/negotiation there as the share of the tournament's money which goes to players seems to be less in slams than in other tournaments.

The problem is that it's an incentive for players who are injured to take part rather than withdraw, just to get the first round loser's prize money, as it happened several times in recent years.

I have to say that I wondered if it was a coincidence that Russian men (Tursunov, Bogomolov, Youzhny) + an Ukrainian guy (Stakhovsky) were the ones demanding more money (that is for them) in slams first and especially for men rather than women (to get more for them ), and that it's a Russian woman (Sharapova) thinking that maybe they should give less for early round losers and more for top-players (that is herself). From what I've heard, modern Russian people are very eager for money
The other Ukraine Davydenko approves !
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:56 AM   #267
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I read French articles about the French Tennis Federation and Roland-Garros and they are very worried there.

They're especially worried because of the Australian announcements, not only about this year but because the Australians also made big announcements for increases until 2016, which is visible in previous pages of the thread (around 40 million Australian dollars).

What they say is that the Australians have a great stadium, and they are in a good financial position to do that.

The French also think that Wimbledon and the US Open are in a much better position than the French Open.

Because they have already built a stadium which offers good possibilities for getting more benefits.

The French situation is very different, the stadium is small, and they are at the moment building a new stadium, and they also have many problems for that ... especially because they took a very risky decision to keep the French Open in Roland-Garros rather than moving elsewhere, which many people now think was a bad decision.

But at the moment they took that decision, there was not that pressure from the players on the prize money, which is really serious, because they really want big increases.

Which means that now they have a new stadium to build, with high costs, the extension is attacked with trials by the people who live there, and in the meantime you have that players' pressure

... and you have other slams who accepted too much in the FFT's eyes, esp. the Australian open

... because these other slams can afford more than them because they're better prepared according to the articles I read.

Then the constant fear that Roland-Garros's status as a slam may be contested still comes around.

For instance an article in French by a well-informed journalist on that :

http://www.slate.fr/story/63839/tenn...ncais-finances

It seems that Stakhovsky in his recent tweets said something like "the US Open is the least friendly grand slam", but the French Federation are also afraid of a boycott for their tournament which seems to be the most fragile in front of these players' money claims.

Of course, there's the possibility, which is indeed the trend of what's already happening at the moment, like for many things about the "public sector" in France at the moment, to downplay the Federation's expenses and their support to local clubs. They've already started that, but it worries them a lot.
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Yeah, if you ignore the fact that they actually do have control over whether they break even. Although it does require having an awareness of how the world works outside of fantasy land.
I am all ears if you are grand enough to explain the world to me.
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I am all ears if you are grand enough to explain the world to me.
I sincerely hope that you don't genuinely need an explanation. What do 'normal' people do when one job doesn't work out financially? They *gasp* look for another one. If they think that's below them, then they need to grow up.
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To those who say that the players who lost in the first round must gain little money are i can only say: GTFO now !
There's a reason why the money is increasing cause you know how hard it is to get to be in a GS ? (top 150) ? You're blinded by the hate infact those players sacrificed their life to be there and you say that they aren't good at their jobs ? Oh god GTFO to all the g*y s**kers ... there are around 1950 professional players in the WHOLE world which is 7 billion people and you say that the top 150 of all these 1950 (sacred) players in the world do not deserve their money ?
GO AWAY !
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