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Old 08-27-2012, 11:37 AM   #151
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I brought up Nadal and Djokovic because they were on the council before and supported a number of stupid "innovations" such as the 2-year ranking and the marginalising the indoor season this year and the next.

Federer has always said he wants the best for the sport. It seems there is a will there to be a bit less self-serving than the whining duo and he's willing to listen. Obviously, I can't make a statement on his position, as he hasn't been asked on the issue but surely if people raise the issue with him, he'll try to do something.
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Say what you want about Federer playing Baghdatis and Gonzo in AO finals... But at least he won them
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Tennis is a very interesting parallel to what's been going on in the "real" economy in the last 30 years or so, which wealth for those at the top of the sport rising dramatically while those lower down the food chain find their earnings are stagnant, if not actually declining in real terms. And it's not like this has led to a healthy global economy. I doubt it's doing much good for the long term health of tennis either.
Same thing with golf. Nick Watney just won a tournament yesterday and pocketed $1.4M. A winner on the web.com tour will poket maybe $100K. The top money winner so far this year on the web.com tour has made around $300K, on the PGA tour it's close to $5M.
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Hope this settles down,AO is my favourite slam.
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I'm sure some sort of accomodation will be reached. Still, it's interesting to see the players getting more militant.
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Same thing with golf. Nick Watney just won a tournament yesterday and pocketed $1.4M. A winner on the web.com tour will poket maybe $100K. The top money winner so far this year on the web.com tour has made around $300K, on the PGA tour it's close to $5M.
Golf is in a much better state. The 100th ranked golfer is not struggling financially to make ends meat during the year, they have a better financial structure for its members.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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This Tour is too... cute. Boycott will be fun in some way. I wish we had Mcenroe now.
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They should force mandatory housing in the smaller events to make it feasible for the new players to play around. After all, the minimum food and shelter should be provided. Though, I am not too sure how much prize money must be dictated nowadays?

Let's say a 32 draw future tournament:

- Qualifiers earn $50 x 4
- R32 losers earn $100 x 16
- R16 losers earn $200 x 8
- QF losers earn $400 x 4
- SF losers earn $800 x 2
- F loser earn $1,600
- Winner takes $3,200
= $11,200

So at the minimum the future tour should provide 16k+H (half for doubles)?
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Sadly what a lot of these mouthy MTF posters fail to realise is that there would have been hundreds of Federers/Nadals/Noles/Murrays that did not make it simply because they didn't have enough money to get there... for me that is a tragedy.

If there is a way for more money to filter down to the up and comings, then great. It would only lead to better/tougher competition. The sport and fans would benefit like nothing before.
Exactly ! that's the priority for tennis : youngsters, futures and challengers events, not slams' prize money.

But of course Stakhovsky and other top-100s don't care about the problems of up-and-coming futures players.

That said, I don't know what it precisely means when people say "ITF has a lot of money", I don't think there's a lot of money hidden or kept by "suits" , but I would definitely be in favour of a redistribution of the money earnt in slams to futures tournaments (challengers are different : they depend from the ATP and look more like "market products", and recently there has been a problem about some challengers' cancellation).

That said, I'm happy that Stakhovsky and others' crazy greediness does not seem to threaten the Aus Open anymore.
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Golf is in a much better state. The 100th ranked golfer is not struggling financially to make ends meat during the year, they have a better financial structure for its members.
True, but there is still a huge gap between a PGA tour pro and one in the minor leagues.
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True, but there is still a huge gap between a PGA tour pro and one in the minor leagues.
They actually look after their members on the Nationwide Tour. They aren't struggling for basic expenses unlike the equivalent on the tennis tour.

On the radio they just had Sam Groth on and he was speaking about the boycott and better pay for the lower guys. He said the players are unified on this, especially Federer and Roddick.

Naturally they don't want to boycott and ironically the AO is the one that gives the most of the prizemoney percentage to the players.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Golf is in a much better state. The 100th ranked golfer is not struggling financially to make ends meat during the year, they have a better financial structure for its members.
This is absolutely true about golf. The PGA, European Tour, Nationwide Tour, etc., all have a better structure than what tennis has going for it right now as do many other sports. The 100th best players in baseball, American football, basketball, football, and golf are going to do much better financially than the 100th best tennis player not to mention that players in team sports do not have to worry about traveling expenses (in fact, players in many sports get paid per diem to handle such costs) whereas the golfer or tennis player has to absorb these himself.

In addition, the PGA and others golf entities have done a much better job marketing their product than the ATP has and have drawn in more sponsors, better T.V. deals, etc., but of course there might be a greater demand for the product, but this was not always the case. The PGA Tour and others have done a great job driving demand with their marketing. Of course, it didn't hurt that Tiger Woods showed up, a unique type of player as far as social implications are concerned, etc . The ATP should have long ago settled its internecine battles and concentrated on marketing the sport to increase revenue for everyone. The ATP and ITF need to first increase money allotted to the Futures (ITF) and Challenger (ATP) events as well as for early round exits at the slams (ITF) and early round exits at 1000, 500, and 250 events (ATP).

The amount of prize money in golf boomed in the late '90s. Part of it was the "Tiger effect," but the general rise in prize money was already on the upswing before his ascendancy. The amount of money the top players in tennis were getting was much more than what the top players on the PGA Tour were getting while players 20th, 30th, 50th, and 100th on either list were making about the same. This is what the money leaders' list looked like in 1990 on the PGA tour (I apologize about the formatting -- I'm using a tablet and not having any success):

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1	  Greg Norman		$1,165,477	
2	  Wayne Levi		$1,024,647	
3	  Payne Stewart	   	$976,281	
4	  Paul Azinger	   	$944,731	
5	  Jodie Mudd	  	$911,746	
6	  Hale Irwin	 	$838,249	
7	  Mark Calcavecchi 	$834,281	
8	  Tim Simpson	 	$809,772	
9	  Fred Couples	    	$757,999	
10	  Mark O'Meara	  	$707,175	
20	  Davis Love III	$537,172	
30	  John Huston	  	$435,690	
50	  Kenny Perry	 	$279,881	
75	  Hal Sutton	 	$207,084	
100	  Bill Glasson	      	$156,791
Here are the numbers for the ATP Tour in 1990 (skewed by "The Grand Slam Cup" and its outlier prize money):

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1	  Pete Sampras	 	$2,875,406	
2	  Stefan Edberg	 	$2,069,689
3	  Andre Agassi	 	$1,739,965	
4	  Brad Gilbert  	$1,551,768
5	  Boris Becker       	$1,513,769	
6	  Ivan Lendl    	$1,416,520	
7	  Andres Gomez	    	$921,216
8	  Goran Ivanisevic   	$902,794
9	  Michael Chang       	$863,015
10	  Tomas Muster        	$696,785	
20	  Andrei Cherkasov    	$379,706	
30	  Magnus Gustaffson  	$218,323	
50	  Todd Woodbridge    	$175,406	
75	  Mark Kratzmann      	$153,035
100	  Lars Jonsson        	$113,441
This is what the money list looks like in 1998 for the PGA Tour:
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1	  David Duval		$2,591,031	
2	  Vijay Singh	   	$2,238,998	
3	  Jim Furyk	   	$2,054,334	
4	  Tiger Woods	    	$1,841,117	
5	  Hal Sutton	   	$1,838,740	
10	  John Huston	  	$1,544,110	
20	  Lee Janzen		$1,155,314	
30	  Andrew Magee		$964,302	
50	  Paul Azinger	 	$568,233	
75	  Clark Dennis		$401,440	
100	  Barry Cheesman	$310,535
This is what the money list looks like in 1998 for the ATP Tour; you can see that the lower ranked golfers are getting close to nearly "doubling up" their tennis counterparts:
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1	Pete Sampras          	$3,926,347	
2	Marcelo Rios     	$3,396,854
3	Patrick Rafter   	$2,862,854	
4	Alex Corretja     	$2,702,569
5	Yevgey Kafelnikov    	$2,543,077	
6	Carlos Moya    		$2,537,553	
10    	Goran Ivanisevic       	$1,541,177
20	Cedric Pioline 		$783,688	
50	Bohdan Ulirach		$436,216	
75	Jerome Goldmard      	$305,834
100	Juan-Antonio Marin  	$216,867
And then there's last year, 2011. Golf has benefited so greatly from the "Tiger effect" and other marketing campaigns that nearly ever PGA Tour event offers up a $900,000 + first place prize and generous money for simply making the cut. 89th place on the list was enough to earn $1,000,000, while 216th on the list was enough to earn $100,000. This doesn't even include the Champions' Tour where the money leader made $2,000,000 and the 10th place money leader made $1,000,000 +. On the Web.com Tour (nee Nationwide Tour), the money leader made $450,000 + while the 25th place money leader still made $200,000 +. Then you have the Euro Tour where the money leader made $6,500,000 + and the 100th place money leader still made $390,000.

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1	Luke Donald	$6,683,214	
2	Webb Simpson	$6,347,353	
3	Nick Watney	$5,290,673	
4	K.J. Choi	$4,434,691	
5	Dustin Johnson	$4,309,961	
6	Matt Kuchar	$4,233,920	
7	Bill Haas	$4,088,637	
8	Steve Stricker	$3,992,785	
9	Jason Day	$3,962,647	
10	David Toms	$3,858,090	
11	Adam Scott	$3,764,797	
12	Phil Mickelson	$3,763,488	
20	Aaron Baddeley	$3,094,693	
30	Kevin Na	$2,336,965	
50	Ben Crane	$1,679,595	
75	Scott Piercy	$1,250,957	
100	Marc Leishman	$916,330
Now the ATP last year; the top 25 earned $1,000,000+ compared to the top 89 playing on the PGA Tour:

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1	Novak Djokovic		$12,619,803	
2	Rafael Nadal 		$7,668,214	
3	Roger Federer		$6,369,576
4	Andy Murray		$5,180,091
5	J.W. Tsonga		$3,173,969
6	David Ferrer		$3,113,904
7	Tomas Berdych		$2,576,813
8	Mardy Fish 		$1,882,091
9	Janko Tipsarevic	$1,692,912	
10	Nico Almagro  		$1,571,007	
20	Andy Roddick   		$1,061,404
30	Juan Monaco		$872,640	
50	Andreas Seppi		$611,040	
75	Donald Young		$425,315	
100	Simone Bolleli	   	$299,021
1998 PGA Tour Top 100 earned: $76,494,000
1998 ATP Tour Top 100 earned: $62,323,000

Not that big of a difference.

2011 PGA Tour Top 100 earned: $209,398,000.
2011 ATP Tour Top 100 earned: $103,140,000.

The PGA Tour boomed as the Top 100's aggregate earnings increased by 174% (not adjusted for inflation) while the ATP Tour's Top 100's aggregate earnings increased by only 65%.

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