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Old 08-22-2012, 05:31 PM   #76
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Fed has achieved nothing of note at the USO in 4 years...I'm sure Mats and Goran factored that into the equation as well.
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I'd have to say Federer is the favourite on this one.

Federer came out really strong last week to start his HC season. He wasn't even broken the entire tournament and destroyed Nole (that being said, he seemed exhausted). Just as an overall, Federer is showing some of that number 1 form of his and it doesn't look like he's slowing down now.

Nole is my favourite to meet Feds in the final. He probably is indeed exhaused however he does have a week to recooperate. He's also a strong HC player, especially at the USO. As typical as a Feds-Djoker final is, it seems most evident based on recent events.

Murray is obviously front runner at 3rd but even showing his strong play on grass (Wimbly and Olympics), he still seems to fail on the hard courts. It's really hard to say with Murray because he's very inconsistent. On the right side of consistency, I say he loses to Nole or Feds in the semis. On the wrong side, we see another Chardy like match.
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2008: won
2009: final, lost in 5 sets was 2 points away from victory
2010: semis, had 2 MPs
2011: semis, had 2 MPs

I think only this makes him a favourite for the US Open.
Well I guess I should have said he hasn't done anything since 2008 (4 years ago). He is 31 now. If he couldn't win it at 30, 29 and 28 what makes you think he will win it now ? Hard courts are taxing on the body (unlike Wimbledon) AND you're forgetting about Super Saturday. How the hell is he supposed to recover from that and then beat a fresher 25 year old the next day ? It's not possible. Look what happened at the Olympics and all but one of those matches were BO3S.

I have a slight disagreement with Mats and Goran in that I would pick Nole ahead of Murray as a favourite.
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Fed really should have won the last 8 US Opens, its amazing
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No. Neither has Murray, which is why I'd have picked Nole ahead of Murray and Roger...
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Well I guess I should have said he hasn't done anything since 2008 (4 years ago). He is 31 now. If he couldn't win it at 30, 29 and 28 what makes you think he will win it now ? Hard courts are taxing on the body (unlike Wimbledon) AND you're forgetting about Super Saturday. How the hell is he supposed to recover from that and then beat a fresher 25 year old the next day ? It's not possible. Look what happened at the Olympics and all but one of those matches were BO3S.

I have a slight disagreement with Mats and Goran in that I would pick Nole ahead of Murray as a favourite.
Sure this whole Super Saturday thing makes it more difficult for the older (olderer) players, but Federer's form and confidence is such that it would be crazy to discount him at the moment. We simply don't know how he would react to a long semi final yet, as it hasn't happened that he's made the final after two grueling semis in his last two US Opens. (Okay - Olympic final suggests he couldn't recover in time, but...)

And what if Murray comes through a marathon five sets against Djokovic while Federer has a more comfortable semi-final against a lesser player? Would your money still be on Murray to beat Federer in the final in that scenario??
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Federer is better now than in 09-11.
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:53 PM   #84
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Well I guess I should have said he hasn't done anything since 2008 (4 years ago). He is 31 now. [b]If he couldn't win it at 30, 29 and 28 what makes you think he will win it now ?
It isn't just about winning or not. Look at his performances. It's not like he lost in the quarters (ex:WImbledon). Lot of people were saying Roger's worst chance for a slam was wimbledon because of 2 QF exits.

Roger was 2 points away from winning in 2009, yet you say he did nothing of note in that year. So these 2 points make his whole performance in the US Open in 2009, all 7 matches?! No.

2010 and 2011 he had MPs in the semis..... He did nothing of note?! If not winning is nothing of note then yes but he was very very close to making the finals yet again.

I'm not saying he is the one and only favourite but he is one of the favourites and should reach the finals given he has done it 6 times in a row and had MPs in the other 2 times he didn't make the finals.

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Hard courts are taxing on the body (unlike Wimbledon) AND you're forgetting about Super Saturday. How the hell is he supposed to recover from that and then beat a fresher 25 year old the next day ? It's not possible. Look what happened at the Olympics and all but one of those matches were BO3S.
Olympics and slams are different. But yes I agree with you in that SS will definitely "benefit" Djokovic over Roger. After all if we look at this year's AO and how djokovic played in the finals after such gruelling semis.

But this imo gives djokovic the edge but not murray.

If murray is drawn in Roger's half SS has no effect in their match and Roger would be the favourite imo. If they meet in the finals murray would have to overcome djokovic probably. And that won't be easy for him.

For me Djokovic is the favourite with Roger in second place.
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And what if Murray comes through a marathon five sets against Djokovic while Federer has a more comfortable semi-final against a lesser player? Would your money still be on Murray to beat Federer in the final in that scenario??
In that unlikely scenario I'd call it 50-50. Remember what happened at the 2009 Australian Open. That should never be forgotten when assessing younger players' ability to recover...
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Wawrinka, Cilic, Chardy... these losses are irrelevant. The first two were a long time ago, Murray is much more consistent in slams now and should he meet another ballbasher playing the match of their life, I think he is experienced enough to deal with it now. Chardy is also irrelevant. Remind me how Murray's build up to this years wimbledon, his best ever slam performance, went?
Oh yeah he lost to Mahut in his first match at Queens.
Say what? He didn't even beat a Top 3 player... US Open 2008 and Australian Open 2010 were both superior slam performances.
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Fed really should have won the last 8 US Opens, its amazing
I know right? His greatest flaw is that he struggles to convert break points in pressure situations (otherwise the HTH with Nadal would look very different, and he'd probably be sitting on 20-21 Grand Slams right now).
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It isn't just about winning or not. Look at his performances. It's not like he lost in the quarters (ex:WImbledon). Lot of people were saying Roger's worst chance for a slam was wimbledon because of 2 QF exits.

Roger was 2 points away from winning in 2009, yet you say he did nothing of note in that year. So these 2 points make his whole performance in the US Open in 2009, all 7 matches?! No.

2010 and 2011 he had MPs in the semis..... He did nothing of note?! If not winning is nothing of note then yes but he was very very close to making the finals yet again.

I'm not saying he is the one and only favourite but he is one of the favourites and should reach the finals given he has done it 6 times in a row and had MPs in the other 2 times he didn't make the finals.
Well all that proves is that he just can't find that extra gear to vault him past the finishing line. For the BIG 4 it's all about winning on the biggest stage. Being a finalist is the equivalent of doing nothing for these incredible athletes. I'm sure a Ferrer or a Berdych would love to have 2 MPs in a GS semifinal or even be a finalist and indeed that would be a great achievement for the likes of them. Not so much for the BIG FOUR.
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Olympics and slams are different. But yes I agree with you in that SS will definitely "benefit" Djokovic over Roger. After all if we look at this year's AO and how djokovic played in the finals after such gruelling semis.

But this imo gives djokovic the edge but not murray.

If murray is drawn in Roger's half SS has no effect in their match and Roger would be the favourite imo. If they meet in the finals murray would have to overcome djokovic probably. And that won't be easy for him.

For me Djokovic is the favourite with Roger in second place.
Basically we're in agreement. Nole is the stand out favourite. The 2nd favourite is debatable but ultimately does not matter as they will do their usual bendover routine when facing Nole on hard courts. Super Saturday is a major disadvantage for Fed. It effectively kills off his chances of winning the final in the same way he lost the GOLD medal in his semi final vs Del Potro.
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I know right? His greatest flaw is that he struggles to convert break points in pressure situations (otherwise the HTH with Nadal would look very different, and he'd probably be sitting on 20-21 Grand Slams right now).
Yeah, if only Federer was as clutch as (let's pick a random clutch player) Nadal, like it's not a skill.

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