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Old 08-24-2012, 02:29 PM   #91
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Are we to believe that Lance Armstrong, the ferocious, bloodthirsty Lance Armstrong, he who never gives up, decided to retreat and risk losing his most precious prizes knowing he is innocent?

Let's not fool ourselves. The only reason Armstrong has run away, tail between legs, is because he'd rather surrender than having his numerous and horrendous mischiefs exposed to the entire world.

And I'd say it's the best thing he could do. As it is, he won't fool any cycling fan who is reasonably informed about the matter, but he's managed to convince some of the casual fans and the broader population that he maybe, just maybe, is right and he's only the helpless victim of a global conspiracy.
Tactical solution just for his fans.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:30 PM   #92
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However, the WADA would have liked something more public as a trial.
kudos to usada for their efforts. not all countries are willing to investigate their biggest sportsmen under doping accusations (operación puerto investigation anyone?)
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Are we to believe that Lance Armstrong, the ferocious, bloodthirsty Lance Armstrong, he who never gives up, decided to retreat and risk losing his most precious prizes knowing he is innocent?

Let's not fool ourselves. The only reason Armstrong has run away, tail between legs, is because he'd rather surrender than having his numerous and horrendous mischiefs exposed to the entire world.

And I'd say it's the best thing he could do. As it is, he won't fool any cycling fan who is reasonably informed about the matter, but he's managed to convince some of the casual fans and the broader population that he maybe, just maybe, is right and he's only the helpless victim of a global conspiracy.
one would need to be an incredibly big fanboy in order to keep believing armstrong though.

then again, i wouldn't be surprised. it seems he became some sort of cult figure among many in the states, much like steve jobs did as well.
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well, well, well, seems that the french were right all along.

i wonder if another strong man who's triumphed in france a lot in a sport that's highly familiar to us will get caught in 10 more years...
This. Just hope the truth surfaces. We can't prove anything be we can have our suspicions and there are a lot of situations which are dubious/strange to say the least.
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1999 - Zulle doped, Escartin
2000 - Ullrich doped, Beloki (involved in Operation Puerto), Moreau (doped), Heras (doped), Virenque (doped), Botero (involved in OP), Escartin
2001 - Ullrich doped, Beloki (involved in OP), Kivilev
2002 - Beloki (involved in OP), Rumsas doped, Botero (involved OP), Gonzalez de Galdeano (?), Azevedo
2003 - Ullrich doped, Vinokourov doped, Hamilton doped, Zubeldia
2004 - Kloden (alleged blood transfusion), Basso (banned), Ullrich doped, Azevedo
2005 - Basso (banned), Ullrich (DQ), Mancebo (involved in OP), Vinokourov (doped), Leipheimer (was with US Postal), Rasmussen (doped), Evans

Funny stuff this cycling...
The 2000,2001 and 2003 TdF will go Ullrich mostly. He was only stripped of his 2005 thrid place. As of now, his second place holds in these 3 TdF's. So, Ullrich will have 4 TdF's. So much for being an eternal second.
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Dick Pound will be loving this.
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well, well, well, seems that the french were right all along.

i wonder if another strong man who's triumphed in france a lot in a sport that's highly familiar to us will get caught in 10 more years...
my thought exactly
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Uhm, yeah? If everybody doped, who cares? It's still so impressive what he did, it were different times. People are so focused on the word 'doping', and have made it into a witch-hunt, they value 'the rules' more than common sense. Just let the old legends be, it's guys like Armstrong that inspire kids of today to be able to do great things and start cycling. Not the guys in labcoats, who catch them because they took a forbidden substance (which all of his competitors took as well) and what for sure wasn't the only reason this man won 7 straight TDFs.

Now you destroy everything, you can't point out a winner because all the others were cheats as well. All you create now is a lot of black pages in the history books. Focus on today, right now the sport is clean (for sure there are dopers, but they seem to be outnumberd and are getting caught), now doping would give an unfair advantage. But back then? No.

No, you have mistakes that everyone can learn from. That's what you do with mistakes - you can't change them, don't regret - just learn from them. The entire cycling world (athletes, coaches, doping associations, sports bodies...) needs to learn from this dark period the sport went through.


Back then it didn't? You think EVERYONE in the TdF back then was doping. If I guy finished 100th and was clean and the 99 in front were doping, then that man was robbed. If you believe what you wrote for real you're a complete and utter nutter.
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Uhm, yeah? If everybody doped, who cares? It's still so impressive what he did, it were different times. People are so focused on the word 'doping', and have made it into a witch-hunt, they value 'the rules' more than common sense. Just let the old legends be, it's guys like Armstrong that inspire kids of today to be able to do great things and start cycling. Not the guys in labcoats, who catch them because they took a forbidden substance (which all of his competitors took as well) and what for sure wasn't the only reason this man won 7 straight TDFs.
One of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
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well, well, well, seems that the french were right all along.

i wonder if another strong man who's triumphed in france a lot in a sport that's highly familiar to us will get caught in 10 more years...
It wasn't just the French who suspected Lance- the whole world did. Other Americans, Brits, Spaniards... you name it.
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I'm so glad that Armstrong will finally receive his rightful punishment. He is one of the biggest cheats in sporting history. However, I am sure then even on his deathbed, Lance Armstrong still wouldn't admit that he doped his way to 7 TDF titles.
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now that armstrong has been finally got caught, the french media will be able to fully concentrate their accusations on other known suspects who thriumph on their lands. furthermore, they will be more empowered after time proved them right with their most emblematic case.
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now that armstrong has been finally got caught, the french media will be able to fully concentrate their accusations on other known suspects who thriumph on their lands. furthermore, they will be more empowered after time proved them right with their most emblematic case.
Yeah well done the French media for only saying what the whole world suspected and therefore being 'right' for once.
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Uhm, yeah? If everybody doped, who cares? It's still so impressive what he did, it were different times. People are so focused on the word 'doping', and have made it into a witch-hunt, they value 'the rules' more than common sense. Just let the old legends be, it's guys like Armstrong that inspire kids of today to be able to do great things and start cycling. Not the guys in labcoats, who catch them because they took a forbidden substance (which all of his competitors took as well) and what for sure wasn't the only reason this man won 7 straight TDFs.

Now you destroy everything, you can't point out a winner because all the others were cheats as well. All you create now is a lot of black pages in the history books. Focus on today, right now the sport is clean (for sure there are dopers, but they seem to be outnumberd and are getting caught), now doping would give an unfair advantage. But back then? No.
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