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Punky · 10-23-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Looner

Nothing against you, I was just correcting a misconception I saw from an earlier discussion

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Hoo great!! Just wanted to make sure that no one will be mistaken to think that I think fed is doing ugly stuff like that.

I just hope to never hear about a tennis player, big or small that was found guilty of doping

Punky · 10-23-2012, 02:12 PM

im just reading that the Insurance company SCA demands that lance will retorn the $ 7.5 million, granted to him as a bonus for winning the Tour de France in 2004. "Lance is no longer the official winner of any race Tour de France and it is not appropriate and fitting to hold any bonus payments received from SCA" the company said, stating that the claim to Sue Armstrong if the amount will not be refunded in full within five days

Echoes · 10-23-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Punky

I was comparing fed and lance as big names to the sport they practice.

Tennis is longer and very different.

I hope I'm more clear.

Cycling is longer than tennis.

He was not a big name. He only raced Bore de France. The major classics, he did not give a fuck. He's never been World #1 except one or two weeks. Federer at least is now playing full time again.

Pharmstrong and Toolrich, that was 40 days of racing a year, criteriums included.

Har-Tru · 10-23-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Punky

Hoo great!! Just wanted to make sure that no one will be mistaken to think that I think fed is doing ugly stuff like that.

I just hope to never hear about a tennis player, big or small that was found guilty of doping

You won't, unless tennis starts testing players in the same way cycling does.

No sport fights doping as hard as cycling.

Punky · 10-23-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Echoes

Cycling is longer than tennis.

He was not a big name. He only raced Bore de France. The major classics, he did not give a fuck. He's never been World #1 except one or two weeks. Federer at least is now playing full time again.

Pharmstrong and Toolrich, that was 40 days of racing a year, criteriums included.

as u can see im not a cycling fan, i find it a little boring So I have average/under average knowledge and when i think about cycling i think about lance b/c thats the only name most of us know..

say for this sport, now i think about cycling i think about doping

Punky · 10-23-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Har-Tru

You won't, unless tennis starts testing players in the same way cycling does.

No sport fights doping as hard as cycling.

they dont test them????

Filo V. · 10-23-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Never in doubt flyboy defending Pharmstrong.

I wasn't defending him.

rocketassist · 10-23-2012, 03:01 PM

I always wondered why Armstrong never bothered with the Giro, Vuelta or other tour events and it's simply cause he'd have been gripped at some point.

Filo V. · 10-23-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Looner

No. Doping does not affect everyone in the same way.

Obviously true. Yet that does not take away my point. Lance was the best cheat, had the most advanced ways of beating tests, took the most advanced substances and had the team around him to protect him. He was the best cheat. It is what it is.

GugaF1 · 10-23-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Punky

they dont test them????

They test just about the minimun required in Tennis of WADA (World anti doping Agency) Let's put it this way, they test enough to just keep players from getting crazy with it, specially the lower ranked ones. But if you want to wisely dope in tennis, you can and is not hard. Just as in any major sport, there is no real effort into cleaning the sport 100% in order to have this, you would need to be multiple times the regulation and budget into testing. And is just not very good for the business, to expect a business to regulate itself, crack down its own starts, invest far more money into it, see the overall playing level drop. For example, players playing 4 hours plus grinding matches in several days in a row? Players playing year round events? Just water and Vitamins, right... It's just not great for business.

I think is good to have some accountability in cycling, but to give too much attention just to Armstrong is a waste of time and entertainment in roasting a figure. More focused needs to be on the managment of the sport, anti-doping regulations then you can claim to be catching real cheaters. Now, if you have a culture where you have Doctors, officials, riders everybody winking at eachother, knowing what is going on then 10 years later going after one guy who was part of this culture, so what?

Imagine if 10 years from now they discover that a Tennis stars were dopping, ok good better late than never. Now, Imagine if all this attention given to armostrong now, is given into cracking doping in major sports right now to have some serious regulations for atheltes competing in sports now a strong budget giving into the science and testing of anti-doping for atheltes competing now from media, fans, players and managment not to be solely focused on what happened in the past, but in investigating the underground and learning what can be done now to curb it. That is my whole gripe with this issue, is like having a Bank without serious regulations and auditing mechanisms and later finding out that fraud and corruption is rampant and people were looking out for their own interest, hello.

Looner · 10-23-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Filo V.

Obviously true. Yet that does not take away my point. Lance was the best cheat, had the most advanced ways of beating tests, took the most advanced substances and had the team around him to protect him. He was the best cheat. It is what it is.

Those qualities would certainly be valuable in the world of organised crime.

Topspinfetishist · 10-23-2012, 05:27 PM

I don't know much about cycling. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I don't recall Lance Armstrong winning any of his TDF titles by particularly wide margins, or record times. If that is the case, doesn't that implicate the entire field? Or, is it only Americans who can't compete without PED's?

Litotes · 10-23-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinfetishist

I don't know much about cycling. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I don't recall Lance Armstrong winning any of his TDF titles by particularly wide margins, or record times. If that is the case, doesn't that implicate the entire field? Or, is it only Americans who can't compete without PED's?

The persons closest to him, all the ones finishing 2nd and almost all finishing 3rd, have also been caught doping.

Shinoj · 10-23-2012, 06:53 PM

But Ulrichs during those Climbs in Tour De France,his face really showed that that man was putting his life into the ride,Unlike Armstrong. Still find it hard to believe Ulrich used to Dope during the times when he came second to Armstrong.

***Snowwy*** · 10-23-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shinoj

But Ulrichs during those Climbs in Tour De France,his face really showed that that man was putting his life into the ride,Unlike Armstrong. Still find it hard to believe Ulrich used to Dope during the times when he came second to Armstrong.

Would you believe differently if it were:

L. Armstrong (GER)
J. Ulrich (USA)

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