Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping - Page 16 - MensTennisForums.com

MensTennisForums.com

MenstennisForums.com is the premier Men's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!

Reply

Old 10-22-2012, 11:49 AM   #226
country flag Har-Tru
-LIFETIME MEMBER-
 
Har-Tru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Germany
Age: 28
Posts: 20,520
Har-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong drops fight against US Anti-Doping Agency drug charges

Quote:
Originally Posted by Action Jackson View Post
Kimmage knew he was a fraud in the 90s.
Everybody knew he was a fraud after Sestrière 1999, but nobody could have any doubts after this:

Har-Tru is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 10-22-2012, 11:53 AM   #227
country flag Sauletekis
Registered User
 
Sauletekis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Ourém, Portugal
Age: 27
Posts: 9,857
Sauletekis has a reputation beyond reputeSauletekis has a reputation beyond reputeSauletekis has a reputation beyond reputeSauletekis has a reputation beyond reputeSauletekis has a reputation beyond reputeSauletekis has a reputation beyond reputeSauletekis has a reputation beyond reputeSauletekis has a reputation beyond reputeSauletekis has a reputation beyond reputeSauletekis has a reputation beyond reputeSauletekis has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Cycling has died for me...
__________________
Proud fan of:

Sporting Clube de Portugal, Fútbol Club Barcelona, Newcastle United Football Club, FK Vilniaus Žalgiris
Sauletekis is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 11:55 AM   #228
country flag Looner
Registered User
 
Looner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 11,048
Looner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

The more I read about this scandal, the happier I feel he was uncovered. His arrogance was truly unprecedented.
__________________
Can't touch this


The "Who plays tennis?" thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lopez View Post
Say what you want about Federer playing Baghdatis and Gonzo in AO finals... But at least he won them
Looner is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:03 PM   #229
country flag Kolya
Registered User
 
Kolya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Munich
Posts: 11,262
Kolya has a reputation beyond reputeKolya has a reputation beyond reputeKolya has a reputation beyond reputeKolya has a reputation beyond reputeKolya has a reputation beyond reputeKolya has a reputation beyond reputeKolya has a reputation beyond reputeKolya has a reputation beyond reputeKolya has a reputation beyond reputeKolya has a reputation beyond reputeKolya has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Now let see what the ASO will do...

Are they going to leave it in the books like Riis?
__________________
Robin Bo Carl Söderling
Kolya is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:07 PM   #230
country flag Litotes
ALT-0
 
Litotes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Norway
Age: 41
Posts: 31,383
Litotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolya View Post
Now let see what the ASO will do...

Are they going to leave it in the books like Riis?
Riis is still in, Armstrong is out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_france_winners
Litotes is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:13 PM   #231
country flag Mark Lenders
Registered User
 
Mark Lenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 12,883
Mark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Good riddance, hope this is the last we hear of Armstrong.

Does this mean Ullrich will become the first 4-time Tour de France winner (and Zulle, Beloki and Basso get one each) or will the titles be vacated?
Mark Lenders is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:20 PM   #232
country flag Litotes
ALT-0
 
Litotes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Norway
Age: 41
Posts: 31,383
Litotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Lenders View Post
Good riddance, hope this is the last we hear of Armstrong.

Does this mean Ullrich will become the first 4-time Tour de France winner (and Zulle, Beloki and Basso get one each) or will the titles be vacated?
Vacated. There are no winners 1999-2005, at least not of the yellow jersey. Likewise, stage wins are also vacated.
Litotes is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:25 PM   #233
country flag Har-Tru
-LIFETIME MEMBER-
 
Har-Tru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Germany
Age: 28
Posts: 20,520
Har-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond reputeHar-Tru has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolya View Post
Now let see what the ASO will do...

Are they going to leave it in the books like Riis?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Litotes View Post
Vacated. There are no winners 1999-2005, at least not of the yellow jersey. Likewise, stage wins are also vacated.
McQuaid said the UCI are the ones who have jurisdiction on that and they will decide on it on Friday.
Har-Tru is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:34 PM   #234
country flag Action Jackson
Forum Umpire:
Gaston Gaudio
 
Action Jackson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 124,479
Action Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Kimmage was the only one to stand up to him as a journalist. The sport will bounce back and the UCI president really should resign but he won't.

McQuaid needs to resign.
__________________
On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
Action Jackson is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:46 PM   #235
country flag Castafiore
Registered User
 
Castafiore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 18,918
Castafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

I still fear that we've not hit rock bottom in cycling.

Too many people with a doping history are still involved in the sport: not just the famous guys like Riis or Vinokourov but also the lesser known people involved in those teams (the physiotherapists, the mechanics, the drivers,...: many who did their part in the doping circuit).

Some years ago, Museeuw was investigated with quite a bit of evidence not only against Museeuw but also against his team manager Lefevre. Lefevre is still active as a team manager.

Plus, as long as I've been watching the sport, I remember experts saying that events like the 3 big tours (Giro, Tour de France, Vuelta) are too hard on the body to pull off with just a healthy diet. You can't win the event on just good food and water.

Despite that, the events are still tough.
Despite that and despite saying that the EPO days are behind us, cyclists are still racing up and down those hills and mountains at pretty much the same pace if not faster.

How about breaking down the sport to the core: throwing out everybody who was involved with doping, bringing the 3 big tours back to 2 weeks (for example) instead of 3 weeks,...?


I also feel sad for guys like Pantani who did what so many others did but once caught, he was standing alone to face the accusations with everybody around him (just as guilty as him) holding up their hands saying "I knew nothing".
I now also think of Eddy Merckx who stood behind Lance from the start and who is still standing behind Lance Armstrong despite the growing evidence. What to think of him now?

Last edited by Castafiore : 10-22-2012 at 12:54 PM.
Castafiore is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:50 PM   #236
country flag bad gambler
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 95,102
bad gambler has a reputation beyond reputebad gambler has a reputation beyond reputebad gambler has a reputation beyond reputebad gambler has a reputation beyond reputebad gambler has a reputation beyond reputebad gambler has a reputation beyond reputebad gambler has a reputation beyond reputebad gambler has a reputation beyond reputebad gambler has a reputation beyond reputebad gambler has a reputation beyond reputebad gambler has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Quote:
Originally Posted by Action Jackson View Post
Kimmage was the only one to stand up to him as a journalist. The sport will bounce back and the UCI president really should resign but he won't.

McQuaid needs to resign.
I wonder what will happen to the UCI's lawsuit against him now.

The UCI oversaw the biggest sporting doping conspiracy in history. Isn't that what Kimmage basically wrote?
__________________
The reason why people attended the Del Potro v Lu match at AO 2012:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brentos View Post
have laugh at the people who attended this. Couldn't afford tomic on laver so they settle for this.
bad gambler is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:52 PM   #237
country flag buddyholly
RAVE ON
 
buddyholly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: LUBBOCK TX
Posts: 14,015
buddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Quote:
Originally Posted by Castafiore View Post
I still fear that we've not hit rock bottom in cycling.
Not having much interest in cycling I find it unbelievable that all this could have gone on for so long with only a few hints. I mean, it sounds as if the entire sport was involved from the top to bottom, not to mention all the outsiders such as doctors, drug suppliers etc.
Wouldn't they really need to ban for life every cyclist who competed over those 7 years?
__________________
JOIN THE CHURCH OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER TODAY
buddyholly is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 01:25 PM   #238
country flag Litotes
ALT-0
 
Litotes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Norway
Age: 41
Posts: 31,383
Litotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Quote:
Originally Posted by Castafiore View Post
I now also think of Eddy Merckx who stood behind Lance from the start and who is still standing behind Lance Armstrong despite the growing evidence. What to think of him now?
Eddy was caught doping three times, wasn't he? During Giro d'Italia 1969, after Giro de Lombardia 1973 and Fleche Wallonne 1977. At that time there were no significant ban, just disqualification from the event in question.
Litotes is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 01:30 PM   #239
country flag Echoes
Registered User
 
Echoes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Age: 31
Posts: 1,902
Echoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Quote:
Originally Posted by Litotes View Post
Vacated. There are no winners 1999-2005, at least not of the yellow jersey. Likewise, stage wins are also vacated.
And why isn't Hincapie stripped off his wins in the Plouay GP and Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne, for instance. This is all at Bore de France's glory !

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_P...ance_de_Plouay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuurne%...E2%80%93Kuurne

Quote:
Originally Posted by Castafiore
Some years ago, Museeuw was investigated with quite a bit of evidence not only against Museeuw but also against his team manager Lefevre. Lefevre is still active as a team manager.
Could you expand on this, please? I had not heard about any reliable evidence against Lefevere at that time. The Landuyt/Versele affair involved Museeuw and non Lefevere riders such as Peers, Planckaert (jr) and De Clercq.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Castafiore
I now also think of Eddy Merckx who stood behind Lance from the start and who is still standing behind Lance Armstrong despite the growing evidence. What to think of him now?
Merckx was not the same in the 90's as he was in his racing years. In the 70's doping was cat's piss. And he did not defend dopers any time. He did not defend Museeuw nor Contador.
Echoes is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 01:31 PM   #240
country flag Shinoj
Registered User
 
Shinoj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 3,708
Shinoj has a reputation beyond reputeShinoj has a reputation beyond reputeShinoj has a reputation beyond reputeShinoj has a reputation beyond reputeShinoj has a reputation beyond reputeShinoj has a reputation beyond reputeShinoj has a reputation beyond reputeShinoj has a reputation beyond reputeShinoj has a reputation beyond reputeShinoj has a reputation beyond reputeShinoj has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Lance Armstrong finally banned for doping

Ulrich has actually won many of Tour De France unofficially. Many of them behind lance and one behind Riis.
Shinoj is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios