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Old 10-20-2012, 09:41 AM   #196
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i think that An athlete who used drugs and was Tested positive should Deprive him any title he has won, get a big big fine, ban from the sport, Open a criminal investigation against him and that he will be exposed to Civil Claims b/c if i had paid good money to see a sport event that he won and it turn out to be one big fake, i would like my money back.

maybe if they will know they can lose all their money and end up in prison they will think again.
How about the money they have to return goes to the anti-doping agency
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:45 AM   #197
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How about the money they have to return goes to the anti-doping agency
lol even better
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I think what's most disappointing about this is that he's denying it / not acknowledging it. Like, come on! EVERYBODY KNOWS! You know, we know, EVERYONE KNOWS! Be a man and admit it and move on to the next chapter of your life. No one's going to take LiveStrong away from you.

Right now, he's just coming off as a petulant asshole.
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I think what's most disappointing about this is that he's denying it / not acknowledging it. Like, come on! EVERYBODY KNOWS! You know, we know, EVERYONE KNOWS! Be a man and admit it and move on to the next chapter of your life. No one's going to take LiveStrong away from you.

Right now, he's just coming off as a petulant asshole.
Nothing's changed. It's just that he's been exposed as the fraud most people knew him to be.
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This is a pretty sad list.

http://www.usada.org/sanctions/

Hopefully the anti-doping regulations will eventually lead to a (slightly) cleaner sport.
I looked through this list. Jerome Young got a lifetime ban in october 2004 and then another lifetime ban in june 2008. Sad to see someone have such a short life.
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And he was so Young...
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And he was so Young...
I believe someone made a song about this, particularly the section about "Doing it all again" seemt apt:
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Maybe Armstrong should have copied Maradona. My newspaper today says that when Maradona was with Naples, his Mafia buddies arranged for him to have a rubber penis attached, that was filled with clean urine before he gave a sample.
Curious, I googled this, but nothing came up. Anyone else heard this story?
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Maybe Armstrong should have copied Maradona. My newspaper today says that when Maradona was with Naples, his Mafia buddies arranged for him to have a rubber penis attached, that was filled with clean urine before he gave a sample.
Curious, I googled this, but nothing came up. Anyone else heard this story?
I haven't heard of that particular story, but I've heard similar rumours before related to cyclists.

Some years ago, word had it there was a so-called "magic powder" that rendered any urine pristine. Riders would place the powder underneath their thumbnail and make sure the flow of urine passed through the thumbnail at all times, and they never tested positive.
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Lance probably couldn't win his case so dropped it.

I believe that they all dope and each one has their own regimen of PED's.
Lance got enough evidence against him but from what I've heard there is no chance to win without PED's, forget it and go home.

Lance did what he had to and what everyone else did, the whole situation is a joke.


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Lance probably couldn't win his case so dropped it.

I believe that they all dope and each one has their own regimen of PED's.
Lance got enough evidence against him but from what I've heard there is no chance to win without PED's, forget it and go home.

Lance did what he had to and what everyone else did, the whole situation is a joke.

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Well, it certainly appears he did more of it and in a more professional way than most of the others - giving him an unfair competitive advantage even if you condone the idea of doping.

And I am not really a fan of the "Everybody else is doing it" excuse. If there is no chance to win without drugs, accept that you won't win or try to expose the cheaters.
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Well, it certainly appears he did more of it and in a more professional way than most of the others - giving him an unfair competitive advantage even if you condone the idea of doping.

And I am not really a fan of the "Everybody else is doing it" excuse. If there is no chance to win without drugs, accept that you won't win or try to expose the cheaters.
Everyone's cheating and the tests are not going to find it unless the user makes a mistake.
He can expose the cheaters, but everyone already knows everyone cheats.

There's nothing to expose.


Check out track and field, especially Jamaica, they have a great combination of drugs.
There's no other way such a small country could have suddenly such great results.
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And I am not really a fan of the "Everybody else is doing it" excuse. If there is no chance to win without drugs, accept that you won't win or try to expose the cheaters.
I agree on this (but not on your other claim).

The "everybody else is doing it" excuse is easy and the best way to clear an idol. But it's wrong. Everybody means every single person who has a cycling licence, right? How can you that among the thousands of cyclists on earth there is not ONE single rider who races clean? I know some racers or former racers personally and trust them. So claiming they all do it is an insult.

Besides, we all have the idea that cycling and sport in general should be epic. The earlier generation made it epic. But the modern form of doping destroyed this. WIth EPO you can race 5kmh faster. You can make a donkey out of a race horse and the races look ridiculously easy, compared to the races of the past. So these cheaters are also an insult to all the glorious heroes from the past.

EPO made the sport of cycling look boring. Doping makes some sport look more entertaining maybe but that's not the case for cycling (neither is it for tennis). I do believe things are changing by now but EPO still used unfortunately.
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I agree on this (but not on your other claim).

The "everybody else is doing it" excuse is easy and the best way to clear an idol. But it's wrong. Everybody means every single person who has a cycling licence, right? How can you that among the thousands of cyclists on earth there is not ONE single rider who races clean? I know some racers or former racers personally and trust them. So claiming they all do it is an insult.

Besides, we all have the idea that cycling and sport in general should be epic. The earlier generation made it epic. But the modern form of doping destroyed this. WIth EPO you can race 5kmh faster. You can make a donkey out of a race horse and the races look ridiculously easy, compared to the races of the past. So these cheaters are also an insult to all the glorious heroes from the past.
EPO made the sport of cycling look boring. Doping makes some sport look more entertaining maybe but that's not the case for cycling (neither is it for tennis). I do believe things are changing by now but EPO still used unfortunately.
I agree with this. There were those who just used training, hard work and kept at it.
Those records have been tainted by the cheaters who showed no respect for the clean generation.

Were it goes from here I have no idea, but looking at it this way Lance did the wrong thing by getting an edge illegally.

I'm not condoning Lance for what he did, he had a choice to step away from the sport.

He loved cycling and it was too much for him to give up so the only chance he had was to even the playing field.
It was just a situation were he couldn't give up what he loved.
It's just a shame.
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A no skill sport like cycling where all you need is inhuman stamina to succeed only encourages doping. If it were up to me, I'd either give jail sentences for caught dopers or simply make it legal. The "sport" is already a farce since everybody cheats, allowing everybody to juice up only removes the formalities of testing. The second option of being jailed if caught also works because of the fear factor alone. Not many would risk their own ass (literally) to win some event. Getting locked up with criminals would serve a huge deterrent.
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