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Old 08-20-2012, 01:34 PM   #46
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Have you heard his mother?

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I just listened to her interview on Russian RT television. She went on and on about how the Ecuadoran president is a staunch supporter of free speech. Does she think everybody listening is an idiot? Or, more likely, does she know there is a vast audience that would insist the earth was flat if it was seen as the anti-American thing to do. No wonder Assange turned out like he did.

What I liked about her interview was that the interviewer covered everything in Assange's speech, except Assange's condemnation of Putin for jailing Pussy Riot. I wonder was the interviewer a little bit worried about free speech in Russia.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:42 PM   #47
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RT makes the BBC look like a right-wing news service. It's so hilarious when you see all these leftists turn up on it and talk about freedom of speech and rant against the U.S. government.

And yes, she does think people are idiots, because she is one. She thinks that Occupy and Marxist activists on twitter to call her son a hero are validation, rather than bothering to look into the fact that her son got freedom-loving Afghans killed and aided terrorist organizations.
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Also read here that some find it strange that Sweden didn't agree to some special terms for Assange. Why should Sweden do that? Ass-ange isn't above the law.
Can you please elaborate on these 'special terms'? As far as I'm aware the only thing he has said is that he is more than willing to go to Sweden for questioning if Sweden can guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US. These are by no means any special terms which directly influence his allegations for which Swediah authorities want to question him for. Why don't Sweden just guarantee him that he won't be extradited?
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Should a country that has the rule of law do that?

I think it would set a horrible precedent for governments to start promising not to extradite. Such things are decided by investigations with the suspect in custody. From my understanding, the US hasn't even talked to Sweden about extradition.

I think it's unlikely they would anyway, despite that he and his mother have conned people into thinking, but I doubt that they are going make promises before they have him. Especially since Sweden seems to have some people of sense in the government.
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Should a country that has the rule of law do that?
Erm, I don't think he has broken any Law of Sweden. USA laws do not apply in Sweden.

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No official evidence has come out that USA has talked about extraditing Assange from Sweden.

But the real situation here is that investigators want him to question about the allegation made by the two ladies. If they guarantee him that he won't be extradited (Again, he has broken no Swedish law so why don't they just make this guarantee? It won't make the law look like a joke as you imply because he has not broken any laws of his own country) and then he go back to Sweden and answer the questions. Also another thing to note is that this case was initially dropped by the persecutor because there wasn't much evidence but was re-opened later on.
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Also read here that some find it strange that Sweden didn't agree to some special terms for Assange. Why should Sweden do that? Ass-ange isn't above the law.
so it's ok to fly from stockholm to belgrade to interview a suspected serb murderer... yet, not ok to fly to london to interview a guy who pulled a condom off during sex...? yes, the same guy who hung around sweden for 5 weeks to answer these questions, only to be repeatedly told by the same prosecutor he could leave after being questioned...

i mean, this shit is worthy of an Interpol red flag...?

hmmm.. yeah... it's sweden alright... the same sweden who were fined under international law for sending egyptian asylum seekers back to egypt where they were ritually tortured under the mubarack regime... sent back under the will of you know who...

anyone who wants to do some research on the alleged sex crime knows that in all likelyhood this will get turfed out of court...
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a 40000+ page sealed Grand Jury indictment awaits assange in the USA... why would sweden upset it's overlords by making such guarantees against further extradition or bother to question assange in london...? kinda defeats the purpose of a smear... if you can't get your hands on the man, then best to draw out a trial by media scenario...

ironically, south america is now leading the cause for human rights...

i would like to hear Mjau's view on the issue...
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Yeah. Human rights, that's what this is about. Because Ecuador's decision has nothing to do with the fact that it's leader is a Marxist demagogue that hates the United States. And also oppresses any dissent against him. Like the others who would support Assange. North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Syria or Cuba among a few others would have offered him asylum too. All allies of this President of Ecuador.

Tells you everything you need to know about the hypocrisy of Assange and his idiotic supporters.
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This is a real disgusting story if you think about it. I'm not saying Assange is guilty but WHAT IF. They way this incident has been handled is shameful. Most blame should probably be put on UK. They should have acted earlier. Should have handed him over within months at least and if he refused hand him over in handcuffs.
Didn't Assange spend most of that time fighting and appealing his extradition? He had the right of access to the courts and that was what he did; there was no reason for the UK to torpedo its own legal system just because of the high profile nature of Assange's case.


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Sweden has a strong international reputation to safeguard and wouldn't troll the entire world and ship him to US or something. It's insulting to even claim something like that. He would have gotten a fair trial in Sweden. guaranteed.
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LOL @ the Swedes and Americans in here all pressed

Obviously Sweden wants him so they can send him to the US as soon as they ask - and they will ask, don't be trippin'. Why don't they do video conference or send Swedish officials to him, like always happens with these types of cases (sexual assault). Also hilarious how GB tried to be tough and say they'd storm the embassy to get him out It doesn't suit you at all.

I hope the president of Equador lands a helicopter on top of the embassy and escorts Assange out of the country all the way to Ecuador Australia is behind you Julian! Most of it is, anyway.
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i mean, this shit is worthy of an Interpol red flag...?
Technically speaking, the colour of an Interpol notice has no bearing on the gravity of the alleged crime. A red notice simply means that a person is wanted by a 'national jurisdiction or an international tribunal for the purpose of extradition, surrender, or similar lawful action.'

http://www.interpol.int/INTERPOL-expertise/Notices

Since Assange is wanted in Sweden, the notice has to be red. Some red notices have been issed for crimes such as theft (though the website doesn't give details of the alleged crimes).
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From my understanding, the US hasn't even talked to Sweden about extradition.
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hmmm.. yeah... it's sweden alright... the same sweden who were fined under international law for sending egyptian asylum seekers back to egypt where they were ritually tortured under the mubarack regime... sent back under the will of you know who...
Providing the link for MaxPower's benefit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4568041.stm

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Agiza, a former member of Islamic Jihad, was sentenced in his absence to 25 years in jail in 1998.

He applied for asylum in Sweden three years later but was turned down on security grounds.

He was handed over to US authorities who chained and hooded him and flew him to jail in Egypt.
No way.

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The Swedish government has failed to date to satisfy its obligation to fully investigate the renditions at the hands of the CIA in December 2001 of Ahmed Agiza and Mohammed al-Zari from Sweden to Egypt, where the men reported that they were tortured and ill-treated in Egyptian custody. 55 Although the Swedish government claimed that it had obtained diplomatic assurances against torture and ill-treatment from the Egyptian authorities prior to transfer, the UN Committee against Torture and UN Human Rights Committee both held that Sweden violated the prohibition on torture by its involvement in the men’s transfers to Egypt -- and that Egypt’s diplomatic assurances did not provide a sufficient safeguard against that manifest risk of torture and other ill-treatment.56

In 2008 the Swedish Chancellor of Justice (Justitiekanslern) ordered that 3,160,000 Swedish kronor (approximately €307,000) in damages should be paid to Ahmed Agiza and Mohammed al-Zari, as compensation for the human rights violations they suffered.

Sweden has failed, however, to provide full reparation to the men, which should include not only compensation, but also other measures of redress, including guarantees of non-repetition. To that end, the Swedish government should implement preventive measures to ensure full judicial review of all decisions to expel, deport or otherwise transfer persons the authorities allege to be threats to national security whenever allegations are raised (or there is otherwise reason to believe) that a person would face a real risk of torture or other ill-treatment as a result of the transfer. Such preventive measures should include a commitment by the Swedish government not to employ diplomatic assurances against torture or ill-treatment as a basis for removals to countries where there is a real risk to the individual of such treatment.57

The Swedish government formally rescinded the men’s expulsion orders in 2008, but in November 2009 the men’s appeals against the government’s refusal to grant them residence permits were dismissed, partly based on information never disclosed to either Mohammed al-Zari or Ahmed Agiza.58 Awarding both men residence permits would contribute toward ensuring that they receive an effective remedy, including adequate restitution.59

Although the Swedish Parliamentary Ombudsman and the parliamentary Standing Committee on the Constitution conducted internal inquiries, neither satisfied Sweden’s legal obligation to investigate the human rights violations that occurred in the context of the men’s unlawful transfers and alleged torture or other ill-treatment, and to bring those responsible to account.60
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/as...0012011en.html

Just in case MaxPower accuses me of being anti-Sweden or whatever, I'd just state for the record that the only point that I'm making is that no country is perfect.
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That is exactly my point. Do you realize how much international "bad will" Sweden got for that blown up egypt case? But victims have been compensated and I don't really see the relevance of that story to this case. Sweden has thousands of war refugees, political outcasts for protection yearly. It's a bit hypocritical to blame one of the most dedicated countries in Europe at taking care of this type of refugees to also run sinister subplots.

Of course Sweden also has many criminals coming here for protection. Then we have certain agreements just like UK and US and Sweden can't break other agreements and give "special treatment" and that is what i refered to. Assange should be treated like any other citizen would. Why should countries bend for one man? Assange isn't above international law.

Sweden has taken care of many high profile people even sentenced to death in their home countries and kept them safe. Some of you make it sounds like Sweden is planning to just hand Asssange over to US....and that US is so evil they'd torture him or something. Let's keep the discussion on planet earth and not in a fictional universe created by ideology.

Think about this:

IF Assange is innocent and IF Sweden also just plans to hand him to US why doesn't he just turn himself in? He would become a true martyr then and show everyone he had right all along!

I can tell you why: He knows he's bullshitting and that if he turns himself over his bluff is called.
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