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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2012 year-end H2H?

Djokovic will take the lead 31 50.82%
Federer will claim his trophy 25 40.98%
They will end in a draw, for the first time 1 1.64%
I don't know. But this should be an official ATP award, it's amazing. 4 6.56%
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:41 AM   #736
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Federer is a better player than Djokovic overall even on clay, but that doesn't mean Nole can't achieve more. Being the better player and achieving more are not always the same thing; achievements depend a lot on circumstances (injuries, quality of the competition faced, etc...).

Nole has a great chance to build an excellent clay resumé, he can beat Nadal on clay if needed, and with Rafa out of the picture/declining he'd be the clear #1 on clay.
This. Hence why I said Fed won more clay pts in 2009 but would anyone say he had the better clay game in 2009 compared to 2006? I think not.
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Djokovic might win one RG but he won't reach five finals there. When you almost lose against the likes of Tsonga on clay you know even winning one RG title will be difficult. He will probably win a very tough RG title like Agassi and Federer. The only player who had it easy when trying to complete the Career Slam in the Open era is Nadal who only dropped a set at the USO in 2010. But that is the exception.
Yeah Djokovic will never be the player Fed is on clay. Not even close. Noletards suffering severe delusions of grandeur as usual.
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Fed was crap at RG 2009. Limped his way past a choking Acasuso, a point away from Haas serving to put him out and then getting outplayed by favourable match up Del Potro.

No way was that his best clay form at all. 2006 was the best I've seen Federer play on clay. He had his chances against a full-pelt Nadal in MC and RG and he should have won the Rome final (that and Nadal-Coria are two of the all-time great clay epics)
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Finishingmovie is a huge tard but you saying he can be better than Fed is not lagging far behind...
he can achieve more than him on clay not like he needs a new career for that
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Fed was crap at RG 2009. Limped his way past a choking Acasuso, a point away from Haas serving to put him out and then getting outplayed by favourable match up Del Potro.

No way was that his best clay form at all. 2006 was the best I've seen Federer play on clay. He had his chances against a full-pelt Nadal in MC and RG and he should have won the Rome final (that and Nadal-Coria are two of the all-time great clay epics)
When Nadal lost Roger had huge pressure to win the title. He knew that would probably be his only and last chance to complete the career slam. His form was irrelevant. He was mentally very clutch that year.
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also who gives a fuck about the finals....If Novak wins 2 RG titles and Fed stays at 1 who will say Fed achieved more at RG?Nobody but his bandwagon tards......Fedtards carbon copy of Yankee fans.Brain dead,know nothing about the sport and started rooting for him/team because he/they won all the time
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he can achieve more than him on clay not like he needs a new career for that
That is doubtful but saying he can become a greater player is pure tardism.
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That is doubtful but saying he can become a greater player is pure tardism.
Whereas everyone knew Fed would win more slams than Sampras as soon as he won a few
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Depends on if Nole can beat Rafa at RG.
No. It depends on whether Djokovic can win more Masters and RG finals on clay than Federer.
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also who gives a fuck about the finals....If Novak wins 2 RG titles and Fed stays at 1 who will say Fed achieved more at RG?Nobody but his bandwagon tards......Fedtards carbon copy of Yankee fans.Brain dead,know nothing about the sport and started rooting for him/team because he/they won all the time
Rooting for Fed during 1998-2003 means I started rooting for him because he won all the time?!! If you say so, foolbert
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Actually Federer did never win RG playing Nadal, so if Nole wins RG and beats Nadal in the final he will be the indisputable better clay court player of the two.
Retiring from this thread, all this talk about Federer in here is so tedious. I'll leave it to you kids.
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That is doubtful but saying he can become a greater player is pure tardism.
at what point did I say that?
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Fed fans are relieved to know that cold-hearted non-athletes, and old 1960s players and unsuccessful singles players believe Federina's the goat and 2nd best clay player ever. LOLOLOL
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stop being such a tard dude that is not possible.Can he win 2 RG titles and be better than Fed yes but still.As for playing until 35 LOL......he will retire before 30 he said so himself
I guess I misunderstood the above comment then. Thought the bolded part referred to more than clay. My apologies. But yes he needs to beat Nadal in the RG final to have a prayer at being better than Fed on clay.
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Stop trolling heya. Everyone can see what you are up to.
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