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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2012 year-end H2H?

Djokovic will take the lead 31 50.82%
Federer will claim his trophy 25 40.98%
They will end in a draw, for the first time 1 1.64%
I don't know. But this should be an official ATP award, it's amazing. 4 6.56%
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:37 PM   #481
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Fed was playing nervous and streaky in all those matches. When he got it together he was dominant, but in those matches his level wasn't consistent. 5th set against Haas, 3rd and 4th against Kiefer and Baggy was the tennis we all know he could play.

Fed destroyed Nalby 2, 4 and 1 at USO '05.

"David would never choke against Rogie as Baggy." Why not? If anything he would've choked much more likely than ahainst Baggy.

You can believe what you want but I find the notion of Nalby more likely than not beating Federer in tha final laughable.
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Old 08-19-2012, 06:10 PM   #482
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Old 08-19-2012, 08:15 PM   #483
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Default Djokovic is not the greatest hard court player

I said last week on this forum that all the novak fans were going wayyyy overboard. He's the best at SLOW hard courts. Federer is better when conditions are quick. Plexicushion+Wilson Australian Open Ball = Djokovic is King.

But not on Decoturf with us open or even penn ball.

If Cincy's weather stayed calm then Djoko was in trouble. Today it was calm - and too quick against the Master. No shifts in air pressure, wind , humidity or wind speed that could mess up the highly aggressive game of Fed. And not a slow enough ball or surface in this quick climate. Novak was DEFENSELESS and knew it

Plus, Novak hasn't been totally 100% all year. Still a great player - on any surface - but he was lucky Tommy Haas is 34 and has played a lot of tennis or he would have lost Toronto too. (Tipsarevic looked horrible -gave that match to Djoko). I also pointed out that the last 2 years Fed had MPs against Djoko at the US Open. So get a grip

Great Player - not the best ever and not the greatest on hard courts. And he was NOT awesome last week - he was good. Gilbert and the fans were going wayy overboard. And while , physically, Novak is the best player today and can still win the US Open - he's not #1 right now - The KIng of All Time is - at 30+ and regaining his crown after 7 years on top. Federer's racquet skills are far above novak and most players in the game today. His combo of footspeed, power and racquet skills are unsurpassed still.

So just give it up. Djokovic may be the future - but Fed will always be King!


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Old 08-19-2012, 08:39 PM   #484
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Nole is currently ahead of Fed in the race, for Fed to have a chance to end the year as #1 I think he needs to have more points than Nole after the USO.

Nole is playing one tournament more than Fed (Beijing) and I don't think Fed can defend his 1000 points in Bercy.
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Nole is currently ahead of Fed in the race, for Fed to have a chance to end the year as #1 I think he needs to have more points than Nole after the USO.

Nole is playing one tournament more than Fed (Beijing) and I don't think Fed can defend his 1000 points in Bercy.
More points than Nole after USO would be desirable, but it's not a must. Indoor hard favours Roger and I'm confident he can overcome a moderate deficit (<1000 points) during that part of the season even with one tournament less. He didn't lose a single match on that surface last year or earlier this year...
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Default Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates - Year End Number 1

Roger will get the no. 1 only if Nole blinks and doesn't deliver in Asia. He has tons of points to defend and i don't see him defending Paris. He should play Shangai, Basel and WTF. Maybe Tokyo is he loses before QF at USO
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Roger winning Cinci made things interresting- i will look at RACE so Nole is few points ahead in RACE now with for both guys USO, Shanghai, Basel,Paris and WTF to play + Nole will be in Beijing - where he is 2x defending champion from 2009,2010 last year he didn´t play. Looking at RACE USO F can be crucial if they play each other in F. that means there is point differential of 1600 points, because 800 points between F and W at slam, but if one wins vs the other one he stops him from W, so basically 1600 points in stake if they face each other in USO F. I think after long time this 2012 season can be interresting and YE No.1 can be decided at WTF finally. It would be something special for example Roger beating Nole in WTF F but Nole ending No.1 few points ahead for 2012.
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People are forgetting Roger might play Shanghai. There's also no guarantee Djokovic will do all that well.
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Nole better not even think of playing Basel this year
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:09 PM   #490
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Default Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates - Year End Number 1

First of all a lot of people are talking about defending points which has nothing to do with year end rankings.......

For year end rankings we must look at the race points not 52 week ranking.

Djokovic and Roger are neck and neck with the serb leading by 165 points, I think.

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People are forgetting Roger might play Shanghai. There's also no guarantee Djokovic will do all that well.
I really think Djokovic will get the year end #1 ranking beacuse first Roger has said (can't find the damn interview) that YE #1 is not a priority for him else he would've played Toronto.
Also if Roger wins or gets to the finals of the US Open I don't see him playing shanghai so he'll lose 1000 points there. Djokovic will alsom play Beijing a 500 tournament which Roger won't and as for the Paris masters it will be hard for Roger to play 3 straight weeks and since he isn't skipping Basel he might not play Paris.

So worst case scenario:
Roger - 2000 (US Open) + 500 (Basel) + 1500 (WTF )= 4000 points
Djokovic - 2000 (US Open) + 500 (Beijing) + 1000 (Shanghai) + 500 (Basel) + 1000 (Paris) + 1500 (WTF) = 6500 points

Worst case scenario is out of Roger's hands, even if Roger plays one of shanghai or paris it is still out of Roger's hands. For the year end #1 to be dependant in the hands of Roger he must play both Shanghai and Paris.
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One thing that really make me wonder is how good will Roger be indoors-yes he is best indoor player in the world, no doubt about it, but i am not so optimistic about him, can´t see him win BAsel, Paris, WTF
firstly Paris has stupid schedule - 3 weeks in row BAsel, Paris, WTF, than Roger this season is doing very well is playing a lot of matches, don´t want look on stats right now, but i think he haven´t played so many matches since 2006 probably, so during time of indoor tournaments he can be little bit tired, rusty after long season call it how you want and lastly you can´t stop age, simply Roger is going to be again older during those indoor events. I can´t see really any possible solution for him to win in 3 weeks in row BAsel, Paris, WTF under circumstances.

Also important factor in 2011 was that Roger´s biggest competiton was TSonga, NAdal never was factoor indoors, but Nole was burned aout-after injury whatever, Murray didn´t do much either. This 2012 indoor season there can be Nole and Murray in form. Much different circumstances than BAsel, Paris, WTF 2011
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Default Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates - Year End Number 1

the end of year is always hard to predict, and Djokovic has seldom finished it great (and I include Shanghai here).

Besides "playing" is not important, to really get points you need to go far in the tournament

I don't think we can predict what will happen after the US Open, although yes, I don't think Fed will play Paris-Bercy considering the schedule this year.

Anyway the US Open is crucial for the YE number 1 ... and in itself.
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The plus-side for Federer is that he is undisputedly the best indoor-player in the world and has collected clearly more points than Djokovic in both 2010 and 2011 there. I'm starting to think Djokovic has to win Shanghai and Fed to skip it for Djokovic to get the year-end.
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Fed has nothing to defend in Asia (I think), but after that it might get interesting. It depends on whether or not Djokovic will be able to defend the USO.
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Fed has nothing to defend in Asia (I think), but after that it might get interesting. It depends on whether or not Djokovic will be able to defend the USO.
yes, shanghai was the only tournament on his schedule and he skipped it to rest/regroup

if fed wins the USO he will be ahead of djoko in the race for YE #1 so djoko will have to win more points then fed (moto-proof )
the asian swing is the perfect way to get those points (no fed, rafa out of form, it leaves murray, should be able to get some points)
but if he fed is still ahead after the asian swing it's going to be tough :

- basel, fed will be there and surely in the final so he'll have to win the title to get more points than roger.
- bercy, fed will skip/tank I guess and there's a dilemma for djoko, go deep in the tournament and win points but he risks to be tired for the YEC the next where fed will be at 100%
- fed is better than djoko indoors
- fatigue : if djoko plays the asian swing djoko will be coming from dubai with not much rest : 1 week between dubai and IW, 2 weeks between miami and MC, 2 weeks between MC and madrid, 1 week before RG, 1 week before wimb, 3 weeks before OG, 1 week before USO, 3 weeks between USO and beijing, 1 week between shanghai and basel and some heavy b2b2b RG+halle and OG+Toronto+cincy so I doubt he'll be fit and ready to be as good as fed was last year for instance.
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