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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2012 year-end H2H?

Djokovic will take the lead 31 50.82%
Federer will claim his trophy 25 40.98%
They will end in a draw, for the first time 1 1.64%
I don't know. But this should be an official ATP award, it's amazing. 4 6.56%
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:35 AM   #466
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In case you'd forgotten, Federer had mono during the Australian Open 2008 (and recurring for a large part of that year actually). Fair enough, in the 2011 match Nole was just far superior, but in 2012 he didn't look anywhere near as invincible (lost a set to Hewitt, was taken to five by Murray and Nadal).

The match-up/mental issue/choke (or whatever you want to call it) happened against Nadal in the Semi-final as it nearly always does, but before that Federer looked the strongest of the Top 3. He hadn't lost a set (in fact, I don't think he'd been broken?) and was running high on confidence from the end of the previous year.

Obviously, Djokovic won more matches than anybody else and deserved the title, but if he had drawn Federer I don't think the match would have been anything close to a "bitchslap", rather; I think Federer would have won in 4.

No point in speculating really, but if you're going to bring up their rivalry at the AO at least put it into context...
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In 2008 and 2011, Nole made the two best slams of his life, he was much more vulnerable in the AO 2012.

I really think he would have lose against Federer in this AO 2012 because he was average while Federer was very convincing. But we'll never know, and such things happen all the time.

Would Federer have won the FO 2009 without Sod? Probably no
Would Fed have won the AO 2006 without Baghdatis? Probably no
Would Nadal have won the French 2011 without Federer? Probably no
Would Djokovic have won Wimbly 2011 without Tsonga? Probably no
AO 2006? Why?
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AO 2006? Why?
I`m not bounccer, but isn`t it obvious if you watched that whole tournament? Nalby would have taken it more likely than not.
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Even Olderer admits who is best player in the world.
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I`m not bounccer, but isn`t it obvious if you watched that whole tournament? Nalby would have taken it more likely than not.
I didn't. I watched the final though. Couldn't follow much of the tournament that year.
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I`m not bounccer, but isn`t it obvious if you watched that whole tournament? Nalby would have taken it more likely than not.
The Nalbandian who choked a 2-set lead against an on-the-ropes-Baggy was more likely than not to beat Federer in the final?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: are you kidding me? No.
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The Nalbandian who recently won against Federer in WTF final?
Yes, that Nalby.
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Yes, that Nalby.
Against Federer who couldn't move for the last 2 an a half sets. Even then Nalby almost choked it away from 4-0 up in the 5th to Federer serving for it at 6-5. No, he was not winning that AO.
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Against Federer who couldn't move for the last 2 an a half sets. Even then Nalby almost choked it away from 4-0 up in the 5th to Federer serving for it at 6-5. No, he was not winning that AO.
It`s true that Federer moved bad during WTF, but the same can be said about AO where he also worse hit the ball if you ask me. He was on the ropes with Haas, Davydenko. Kiefer took a set from him, Bagda was 7-5, 2-0 and bp in the final. I still think that if Roger had lost that point at *0-2, 30-40 in second (tough long rally) and became two breaks down it would have been extremly hard even for him to come back and win.
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It`s true that Federer moved bad during WTF, but the same can be said about AO where he also worse hit the ball if you ask me. He was on the ropes with Haas, Davydenko. Kiefer took a set from him, Bagda was 7-5, 2-0 and bp in the final. I still think that if Roger had lost that point at *0-2, 30-40 in second (tough long rally) and became two breaks down it would have been extremly hard even for him to come back and win.
Fed was injured in the YEC final (the ankle injury which had forced him to rest for the few weeks before the YEC), he was just feeling nervous at AO '06. I don't remember why but all the talk was that there seemed to be huge pressure on Fed in that tournament which came through in the trophy ceremony.

Baggy was done after 2 sets, he had no energy left after the grueling tournament. Had Federer went 0-2 down I still have no doubt he would've won in 5.

If Nalbandian chokes from complete control, 2-0 against a tired Baggy, how do you imagine he would've beaten Federer in a GS final?
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it was 2006 dudes... 2006!!!! best year of Fed's career, and u think nalby would have taken fed in the final??
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Fed was injured in the YEC final (the ankle injury which had forced him to rest for the few weeks before the YEC), he was just feeling nervous at AO '06. I don't remember why but all the talk was that there seemed to be huge pressure on Fed in that tournament which came through in the trophy ceremony.

Baggy was done after 2 sets, he had no energy left after the grueling tournament. Had Federer went 0-2 down I still have no doubt he would've won in 5.

If Nalbandian chokes from complete control, 2-0 against a tired Baggy, how do you imagine he would've beaten Federer in a GS final?
I remember well that tournament, watched a lot of matches. Fed won almost every meeting due to his name - great Roger Federer, but play of his normal standart wasn`t there. Kolya never believed in himself on big points with Roger - remember all their matches. Haas began playing well, when realized that he is 0-2 sets down and didn`t catch time to recover. Baggy - it was his first such final, he just won very competitive match and in some moment stopped to play freely.

If you remember back then Nalby was Roger`s hardest opponent after Nadal and the hardest on hard courts. David would never choke against Rogie as Baggy. As for his semi`s loss from 2-0... Well, it happens. Such thing happened with Nole at RG-10, for example. He relaxed too early.
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I really think he would have lose against Federer in this AO 2012 because he was average while Federer was very convincing. But we'll never know, and such things happen all the time.
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Fed was playing way better than Novak at both the AO and USO. In USO Djoko got lucky (you can't say you're better than the opponent when you have to save match points) and at the AO Fed was beaten by his nemesis, but he would have buutchered Djoko had they met.
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I remember well that tournament, watched a lot of matches. Fed won almost every meeting due to his name - great Roger Federer, but play of his normal standart wasn`t there. Kolya never believed in himself on big points with Roger - remember all their matches. Haas began playing well, when realized that he is 0-2 sets down and didn`t catch time to recover. Baggy - it was his first such final, he just won very competitive match and in some moment stopped to play freely.

If you remember back then Nalby was Roger`s hardest opponent after Nadal and the hardest on hard courts. David would never choke against Rogie as Baggy. As for his semi`s loss from 2-0... Well, it happens. Such thing happened with Nole at RG-10, for example. He relaxed too early.
Fed was playing nervous and streaky in all those matches. When he got it together he was dominant, but in those matches his level wasn't consistent. 5th set against Haas, 3rd and 4th against Kiefer and Baggy was the tennis we all know he could play.

Fed destroyed Nalby 2, 4 and 1 at USO '05.

"David would never choke against Rogie as Baggy." Why not? If anything he would've choked much more likely than ahainst Baggy.

You can believe what you want but I find the notion of Nalby more likely than not beating Federer in tha final laughable.
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