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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2012 year-end H2H?

Djokovic will take the lead 31 50.82%
Federer will claim his trophy 25 40.98%
They will end in a draw, for the first time 1 1.64%
I don't know. But this should be an official ATP award, it's amazing. 4 6.56%
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:18 PM   #376
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What would a poll prove? That people would massively vote for you because you obviously have self esteem issues just to make you feel better about yourself even if they know I am senseful, courteous, considerate, a beacon of light, fair and just and, in a perfect world, a future mod?

Do you think the people that saw him defend all his titles are less biased than me? How about the douchebags that predicted a Calendar Year Golden Grand Slam? Not being a Nole fan allows me to see his achievements without wearing Nole tainted glasses (a dark shade of brown).

I don't worship him like a Golden Calf.
Obviously I dont want any poll. Just a metaphor.

So you think that a hater has a neutral perspective? Is that what you're honestly saying? Or perhaps you're not a hater?

BTW, I have many problems, "self-esteem issues" is not one of them. But this is not a chat thread.
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The REALITY is that Federer is 39-2 on hardcourts since last September, and the holder of six HC titles; including two HC Masters + WTF. The REALITY is that Federer won the last Grand Slam and reached the final of the Olympics, whilst Djokovic lost in the semi-finals of both. And the REALITY is that Federer is the current World #1 and five-time US Open, four-time Cincinnati, and six-time World Tour Finals, champion. My sense of reality is just fine, thank you.
reality is that Roger has not beaten Novak on HC in 2 years and that Novak is a superior HC player than Roger at this point in their careers
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:34 PM   #378
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Obviously I dont want any poll. Just a metaphor.

So you think that a hater has a neutral perspective? Is that what you're honestly saying? Or perhaps you're not a hater?

BTW, I have many problems, "self-esteem issues" is not one of them. But this is not a chat thread.
More neutral than fangirls for sure.

And hater is such a strong word. Many people on this board hate me more than I hate Nole.
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That's rich coming from you.
Is it now? Who do I hate outside Nadal? You seem to hate Fed like there's no tomorrow. I've never seen you write anything else about the guy and most of your posts are about that . Most of my posts are about the maestro. I do troll the lost souls but that's part of the experience on MTF.
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Is it now? Who do I hate outside Nadal? You seem to hate Fed like there's no tomorrow. I've never seen you write anything else about the guy and most of your posts are about that . Most of my posts are about the maestro. I do troll the lost souls but that's part of the experience on MTF.
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reality is that Roger has not beaten Novak on HC in 2 years and that Novak is a superior HC player than Roger at this point in their careers
Reality is Djokovic is a better slow HC-player than Federer at this point.

Reality is that Federer had 2 MPs in each of their last 2 USO-matches.

Reality is that there is very little to separate them in a fast HC at this moment.
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US Open winner would be my player of the year for 2012 if Federer, Djokovic, Nadal or Murray win it.

Even Murray with US Open and Olympic Gold would marginally edge it.
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Reality is Djokovic is a better slow HC-player than Federer at this point.

Reality is that Federer had 2 MPs in each of their last 2 USO-matches.

Reality is that there is very little to separate them in a fast HC at this moment.
True.

The last 2 US Open semi-finals could not have been closer with each player getting to match point in the 5th set.
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US Open winner would be my player of the year for 2012 if Federer, Djokovic, Nadal or Murray win it.

Even Murray with US Open and Olympic Gold would marginally edge it.
You can't be serious?
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The REALITY is that Federer is 39-2 on hardcourts since last September, and the holder of six HC titles; including two HC Masters + WTF. The REALITY is that Federer won the last Grand Slam and reached the final of the Olympics, whilst Djokovic lost in the semi-finals of both. And the REALITY is that Federer is the current World #1 and five-time US Open, four-time Cincinnati, and six-time World Tour Finals, champion. My sense of reality is just fine, thank you.
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Reality is Djokovic is a better slow HC-player than Federer at this point.

Reality is that Federer had 2 MPs in each of their last 2 USO-matches.

Reality is that there is very little to separate them in a fast HC at this moment.




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You can't be serious?
Well, if Muzzah wins the USO, all of the top 4 will have a slam each and he has the other highlight. He may not be the player of year but he would have the most craved titles. Then he's also good indoors. I'd love to see Muzzah win the USO with a good showing for Djokovic and Roger (a SF loss for Novak and a F for Roger) and then all three can head into a three-horse race for the #1. Wouldn't that be super exciting.

Obviously, you just read one of my sugar coating scenarios were RF to lose in the final of the USO.
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What if:
- Djokovic wins the US Open over Federer
- Federer wins the World Tour Finals over Djokovic
- Murray wins Cincinnati, Paris and Shanghai over each of the other Top 4

Who would be the player of the year then?
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What if:
- Djokovic wins the US Open over Federer
- Federer wins the World Tour Finals over Djokovic
- Murray wins Cincinnati, Paris and Shanghai over each of the other Top 4

Who would be the player of the year then?
Djokovic. And according to ranking/points (I asume) in this situation and 2 > 1 > 0.
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Djokovic. And according to ranking/points (I asume) in this situation and 2 > 1 > 0.
Does that mean 2 Majors > 1 Major + Olympic Silver + WTF?
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Does that mean 2 Majors > 1 Major + Olympic Silver + WTF?
Yep, all in all for me Slam > Silver + WTF, without a doubt. Sincerely I didn`t consider OG in tennis like very prestigious tournament.
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