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Old 04-03-2014, 04:33 AM   #1
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Default Quality GS champion - djokovic or nadal or federer?

Who do you think has the most toughest road to their GS glory. Nadal has to contend with 17 GS and 6 GS champions in Federer and Djoko resp. Djoko has to go through both Nadal and Federer before he could make it a a mark. Federer always had his biggest nemesis in Nadal who wouldn't let him win a GS and mostly RG. Do you think that the GS win in a final over the greatest opposition holds more benefit to their legacy? I certainly want to think so but at the end its all numbers when we talk of this in 15 years time.

Murray has all his win (2 GS and olympic) against the 3 best of all time but in terms of number he is quite behind. We can still include him in the discussion as you guys deem fit.
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Old 04-03-2014, 04:35 AM   #2
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Close call but Andrew takes this for mine.
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Close call but Andrew takes this for mine.
Yeah, winning against choking Cilic, Lopez, Berdych, Verdasco, and Nole.
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Yeah, winning against choking Cilic, Lopez, Berdych, Verdasco, and Nole.
That's a hellish draw compared to many of Dull's GS draws.

OT: Federer.
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That's a hellish draw compared to many of Dull's GS draws.

OT: Federer.
as if federer had a tougher draw. he did not even had a tougher finalist for crying out loud in his most of the matches.
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Either Nadal or Djokovic, can't quite decide.

Federer obviously is a distant third
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Level of difficulty is impossible to ascertain from names alone. We've seen plenty of times in track-and-field people winning on modest results against a field comprising several really big names, or needing spectacular results to win even though the opposition didn't really have any merits. Good example of the latter is the Women's 400 hurdles in the World Championship 1995. The best from previous years had retired, nobody expected anything big from the contestants that year, and yet two runners broke the old World Record. So this competition looks perhaps the easiest to win on paper but was really the hardest to win of all championship races in this event.

It's the same in tennis, on the day a win over an on-fire Oliver Rochus can be a better achievement than a win over a sub-par Novak Djokovic.
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Level of difficulty is impossible to ascertain from names alone. We've seen plenty of times in track-and-field people winning on modest results against a field comprising several really big names, or needing spectacular results to win even though the opposition didn't really have any merits. Good example of the latter is the Women's 400 hurdles in the World Championship 1995. The best from previous years had retired, nobody expected anything big from the contestants that year, and yet two runners broke the old World Record. So this competition looks perhaps the easiest to win on paper but was really the hardest to win of all championship races in this event.

It's the same in tennis, on the day a win over an on-fire Oliver Rochus can be a better achievement than a win over a sub-par Novak Djokovic.
yes, you might be correct but we are talking about the tennis players who are consistent and have a lot of wins under their belt. Also its tennis where it takes long endurance, skill, patience and great health to win a match. It isn't like racing where the difference in few milliseconds decides the winner. So I think we can still make this as a viable discussion for tennis.
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yes, you might be correct but we are talking about the tennis players who are consistent and have a lot of wins under their belt. Also its tennis where it takes long endurance, skill, patience and great health to win a match. It isn't like racing where the difference in few milliseconds decides the winner. So I think we can still make this as a viable discussion for tennis.
That is stupid. Nadal is 13 GS winner but two years in row he's lost in 1rd or 2rd, at Wimbledon. Federer also lost in 2 rd and 4rd at Wimbledon and US Open last year. And what ? Who get to final does not deserve to be winner because he did not beat Federer or Nadal or Djokovic ?! It does not matter who you beat to get a title it is not your fault! Does Djokovic deserve a Miami title when he had
two W/O no one! Let's compare MS 1000 . In 2006 to win a MS you need to play without bye in 1rd and F was BO5 . Federer to win Miami 2006 played 5 sets match vs Nadal. Nadal to win MS Rome 06 played vs Federer 5 sets match. Back then
they played a lot better matches than now they do play.
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Murray has all his win (2 GS and olympic) against the 3 best of all time but in terms of number he is quite behind. We can still include him in the discussion as you guys deem fit.
Who is the third one?
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Murray has all his win (2 GS and olympic) against the 3 best of all time but in terms of number he is quite behind. We can still include him in the discussion as you guys deem fit.
Vultured all his big wins with Nadal sidelined due injury.
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Vultured all his big wins with Nadal sidelined due injury.
Wimbledon 2013?
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Wimbledon 2013?
every time Nadal loses a GS he was injured in that event
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Federer did not had it easy, some of the so called "easy finalist" like Gonzales, Baghdatis were playing the best tennis in their life, it was not easy. With that said, I'll go with Djokovic here.

All his slam runs were quite tough, the easiest for him would AO 2013, and he still had to face Murray(who was in great form) in the finals.
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as if federer had a tougher draw. he did not even had a tougher finalist for crying out loud in his most of the matches.
Finals are not the be-all ,end-all. Looking only at finals is a flawed way to judge.

Federer has had plenty of tough matches in slams before the final.

And Federer had a bit more difficult draws for his US Opens than Nadal in 2010 and 2013. While Nadal had tougher finalists, Fed had a bit more difficult roads to the finals
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