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Old 08-08-2012, 06:11 PM   #1
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Default MTF calling Toronto a vulture tournament

I don't think Toronto is a vulture tournament. It is not the same field as the other 1000 events but still far better than 500 events. It has 22 of the top 30, the same number as the one in Shanghai 2011. I also didn't hear any vulturing called on Federer for Rotterdam and Dubai.
The Dubai field yes had 8 of the top 10 but it only had 11 of the top 30. And the Rotterdam field had only 8 of the top 30. It's seems like MTF are so one-sided when it comes to this topic.

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Old 08-08-2012, 06:14 PM   #2
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Default Re: MTF calling Toronto a weak tournament

but Toronto is a M1000, no the same with Dubai or Rotterdam, you expect Toronto to have almost all top players..but is not the case.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:17 PM   #3
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Default Re: MTF calling Toronto a weak tournament

Also top players that went far in the olympics like Delpo goes out 2nd round, Tsonga might lose to Chardy. If Nole, Berdych or Murray don't win it a vulture might take it.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:18 PM   #4
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but Toronto is a M1000, no the same with Dubai or Rotterdam, you expect Toronto to have almost all top players..but is not the case.
However, it seems like people are overrating the field that Dubai and Rotterdam had. Yes it doesn't have all the top players, but it's far from a vulture tournament, if it is a vulture event or a weak event you will not see seeds falling quite convincingly.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:20 PM   #5
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Also top players that went far in the olympics like Delpo goes out 2nd round, Tsonga might lose to Chardy. If Nole, Berdych or Murray don't win it a vulture might take it.
So it only becomes a vulture events when the top players fall. LOL, you really have a one-sided view. If it's such a vulture event then the top players shouldn't be losing, it means they need to still play pretty well to win their matches that is not a vulture tournament.
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Default Re: MTF calling Toronto a weak tournament

MTF calling every tournament weak if Federer is not playing. If Federer is playing AND wins it it's called the most difficult tournament in the world
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:24 PM   #7
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So it only becomes a vulture events when the top players fall. LOL, you really have a one-sided view. If it's such a vulture event then the top players shouldn't be losing, it means they need to still play pretty well to win their matches that is not a vulture tournament.
You asked why Toronto might be considered a weak 1000 event and i think i explained it. Ad that 2 of the top 4 aren't playing

I wouldn't say its a vulture tourney but we could have a surprise winner for sure.

I was joking a little with the vulture part

I would love to see Milos or Isner win.
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You asked why Toronto might be considered a weak 1000 event and i think i explained it. Ad that 2 of the top 4 aren't playing

I wouldn't say its a vulture tourney but we could have a surprise winner for sure.
I definitely agree with that it's a weaker 1000 event and the chances of a surprise winner coming here than other Masters is bigger. I just don't like when mugs here call it a vulture event, just cause Federer and Nadal aren't there.
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Default Re: MTF calling Toronto a vulture tournament

nah it's more interesting, with a greater variety of players reaching the latter stages/posting good results.
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Default Re: MTF calling Toronto a vulture tournament

No i think it would be very difficult to vulture here. There are plenty of top 20 players around still good on HC. Anyway it will be stronger next year again.
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MTF calling every tournament weak if Federer is not playing. If Federer is playing AND wins it it's called the most difficult tournament in the world
Nadal and Ferrer aren't playing either, so it's even worse. That's 3 players from the Top 5 missing. Although, I think dencod16 was actually calling Toronto 2012 a weak tournament. It may actually be the Olympics' fault that this year has a weaker lineup.
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Nadal and Ferrer aren't playing either, so it's even worse. That's 3 players from the Top 5 missing. Although, I think dencod16 was actually calling Toronto 2012 a weak tournament. It may actually be the Olympics' fault that this year has a weaker lineup.
I was suppose to name it vulture but i think mods will move it. Im good now reading the views.
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I was suppose to name it vulture but i think mods will move it. Im good now reading the views.
Definitely agree with that...
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Tsonga and Berdych going out as we speak btw
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This is like a 750.
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