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Old 08-13-2012, 06:50 AM   #76
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The saddest revelation is that this guy has a daughter. A daughter. Call me a capitalist fatcat (someone already has - hi Thanos ) but I cannot understand why a cause would matter more to someone than his own family. I feel sorry for him, but definitely do not agree with his actions.
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Old 08-13-2012, 07:03 AM   #77
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The good ol' "Political Prisoner", dude you totally did not commit a felony or anything

Just as bad as the "reformed" ETA members who are now using the Bildu mask. Just awesome.
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The saddest revelation is that this guy has a daughter. A daughter. Call me a capitalist fatcat (someone already has - hi Thanos ) but I cannot understand why a cause would matter more to someone than his own family. I feel sorry for him, but definitely do not agree with his actions.

.. Causes are always greater than Family.


Imagine if Gandhi, Karl Marx, Luther King all stayed at home looking after their families.
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Abraxas, give the man a helping hand next time.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:44 AM   #80
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.. Causes are always greater than Family.


Imagine if Gandhi, Karl Marx, Luther King all stayed at home looking after their families.
Perhaps, but it's still unclear to me what this man's cause was.


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Old 08-13-2012, 11:26 AM   #81
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.. Causes are always greater than Family.


Imagine if Gandhi, Karl Marx, Luther King all stayed at home looking after their families.
First, these guys were not bombing anybody or anything.

Second, why on earth is Karl Marx next to Gandhi and MLK?
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Perhaps, but it's still unclear to me what this man's cause was.


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Perhaps you need to read the whole Thread to get an idea of what his cause was? Or You are unclear why his cause was what it was? I think its the latter you are referring to.
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You are latching onto something that is going to be obsolete in another 4 or 5 years. And what is worse you are priding yourself over it.


And Share Market is something where you have to be naturally interested in, if you are not then thats a hard work. Or you are forcing yourself to run after profits.

And by my Estimation, those who are interested in sports, which is a a very reasonable assumption considering this is a Sports Website would not be Naturally Interested in Shares and stuff..

I would do a Sports Betting over Share Trading Anyday.
You don't even make sense. I don't think I've ever seen such a jumble of non sequitors in four short lines.
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That letter did not explain much, except that he thought he was going to strike a blow against capitalism.

So the point that abraxas misses here is that he was striking a blow against the majority of Chileans. But like abraxas, these egotistical people think that they are justified in trying to destroy a system that most people want. So really they are hitting out against their own people. This guy was no different from the underwear bomber.

What is really pathetic is that they say they are fighting for the people. Saying one thing and doing the opposite is what I lived with in Cuba for 10 years.
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it's funny because one would expect a white australian to be more benevolent towards criminals
Weren't you ranting about racist stereotypes in another thread? Your posts have recently been awash in your own racism.
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You don't even make sense. I don't think I've ever seen such a jumble of non sequitors in four short lines.

Well, I must admit then. I hardly can make a sense of your Posts too. And i have tried to read a lot of your posts here.
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That letter did not explain much, except that he thought he was going to strike a blow against capitalism.

So the point that abraxas misses here is that he was striking a blow against the majority of Chileans. But like abraxas, these egotistical people think that they are justified in trying to destroy a system that most people want. So really they are hitting out against their own people. This guy was no different from the underwear bomber.

What is really pathetic is that they say they are fighting for the people. Saying one thing and doing the opposite is what I lived with in Cuba for 10 years.
I see your point but I wouldn´t agree on the majority thing.

At the moment - at least all across Europe - many goverments don´t act according to the majorites of the people in these countries.
All these bail-outs and "save the Euro" discussions are not agreed to by most of the people in nearly all european countries.
Of course you can say that in a democracy decisions can be changed by the new gouvernment but when for example treaties are signed which can´t be turned over the majorities in countries are left alone quite often.

Don´t get me wrong this doesn´t excuse terrorism but the simple argument the majority doesn´t want this or that for sure is not always represented in political decisions.
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Even so, bombing the door of a bank is not striking a blow against capitalism, and if not an act of terrorism, then an act of stupidity for sure.

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At the moment - at least all across Europe - many goverments don´t act according to the majorites of the people in these countries. All these bail-outs and "save the Euro" discussions are not agreed to by most of the people in nearly all european countries. Of course you can say that in a democracy decisions can be changed by the new gouvernment but when for example treaties are signed which can´t be turned over the majorities in countries are left alone quite often.
Well, you can't cherry pick and take only the good stuff while avoiding the bad. ECB is in Germany and I imagine that wasn't without ample benefits.
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I see your point but I wouldn´t agree on the majority thing.

At the moment - at least all across Europe - many goverments don´t act according to the majorites of the people in these countries.
All these bail-outs and "save the Euro" discussions are not agreed to by most of the people in nearly all european countries.
It would be impossible to find a candidate that would act as you would wish in every government decision. In each riding we vote for the candidate we would prefer to be the one making the decisions.

I know politicians are not very high on the trustworthy meter, but I would not feel capable of making decisions on how to save the euro or whether too many failed banks would be an even bigger disaster..
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Well, you can't cherry pick and take only the good stuff while avoiding the bad. ECB is in Germany and I imagine that wasn't without ample benefits.
Yes, the ECB is located in Frankfurt but still Germany only has 2 votes (Asmussen and Weidmann) when it comes to decisions. The ECB could also be located in Ouagadougou, Germany or every other european country would have the same influence.

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It would be impossible to find a candidate that would act as you would wish in every government decision. In each riding we vote for the candidate we would prefer to be the one making the decisions.

I know politicians are not very high on the trustworthy meter, but I would not feel capable of making decisions on how to save the euro or whether too many failed banks would be an even bigger disaster..

Don´t get me wrong. Personally I support this policy because I really do have the fear of growing Xenophobia and protectionism if the Euro collapses. This could harm all european economies more than it would do any good.

But you spoke about the opinion of the majority and at least according to all of the opinion polls I read, the majorities in most countries are against this policy.

I really favour representative democracy above all other forms of governing, but in this crisis you can see it´s borders.

Still that never excuses terrorism in a democracy.
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