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Old 08-09-2012, 10:14 PM   #31
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typical white western male right winger. blaming the Muslims for everything.
I wonder what a real typical white western male right winger would feel about people like you using terms like that. BTW, I am curious as to how ''male'' got thrown in there. Are there no white western female right wingers? Or are you just being chivalrous?
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:42 PM   #32
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It always starts with bombing in remote places, next thing you know the dude is walking into a train station with C-4 tied to his body.

Good he got this so he could stop before someone else got hurt.

And Abraxas: one can tell you've never lost anyone to terrorism, otherwise you wouldn't be able to support this, no matter how "noble" ideals are, violence is never the way.

BTW: his oh-so-noble buddy didn't stop to help, right? of course not, fuck ideals if you can avoid jail.
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Old 08-09-2012, 11:38 PM   #33
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BTW: his oh-so-noble buddy didn't stop to help, right? of course not, fuck ideals if you can avoid jail.
Fled on a motor bike stolen from the bomber's brother, according to police. No, solidarity is not an appropriate reaction. Pity for the inept, dishonest wretch maybe. But solidarity with the ''friend'' that fled the scene leaving his accomplice in flames would be sadly misplaced. Contempt is more appropriate.
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So far what you appear to have said is that he was blowing up a bank because he thinks they are immoral. If everybody acted like that we would have.....well anarchy.

You just seem totally oblivious to the fact that only a handful of renegade Chileans would agree with you. Reverting to that old abraxas mindset that what abraxas thinks is the correct and only way to think. And when everybody laughs at you, you just become more convinced that you are the only one who is right.
what you call anarchists are the ones who make the world to progress and move forward.

once upon a time henry david thoreau refused to pay his taxes because they were going to a state that supported immoral practices such as slavery. he was regarded as a rebel and, perhaps in today's media speak, close to an anarchist. yet, no one doubts that his stance was fair today.

you need the revolutionary to give life a pulse and a direction. i'm fairly positive that the time will come in which the abusive practices of today's banks (along with many other institutions of today's capitalism scheme) will be regarded as immoral and today's so called anarchists who fight against that system will be regarded as heroes.
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And when everybody laughs at you, you just become more convinced that you are the only one who is right.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect"
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I love when socialists praise tax evaders.
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And Abraxas: one can tell you've never lost anyone to terrorism, otherwise you wouldn't be able to support this, no matter how "noble" ideals are, violence is never the way.
i know you're basque so i'm guessing you have experienced in a more familiar basis what terrorism can do.

yet, i don't see this guy as a terrorist. he didnt mean to harm others, just property in the middle of the night, when no-one is watching and therefore no-one is there to panic or feel, well, terror.

in any case, violence has been at the root of virtually every major change in the history of mankind. sometimes it is necessary to shake things up a bit in order to advance.
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I wonder what a real typical white western male right winger would feel about people like you using terms like that. BTW, I am curious as to how ''male'' got thrown in there. Are there no white western female right wingers? Or are you just being chivalrous?
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i'm fairly positive that the time will come in which the abusive practices of today's banks (along with many other institutions of today's capitalism scheme) will be regarded as immoral and today's so called anarchists who fight against that system will be regarded as heroes.
And what exactly would those abusive practices be?
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You can´t be serious about that.
How can you show solidarity to someone who wants to bomb something?

You can feel sorry for him, that he hurt himself, maybe you even fight for a proper medical treatment, but anarchy by itself is not a value.

This case reminds me of the time when I was active in an Amnesty International group in my city in the 1990s. Our group was invited to a meeting of several support groups for Abdullah Öcalan, leader of the PKK one of the parties of the kurdish minority in Turkey.
At first everything was fine. Everybody supported the idea that Öcalan should get a fair trial and medical treatment, but suddenly there were some activists who started shouting "Freedom for Abdullah Öcalan".
When we said that we would not support that we were treated as some traitors and the whole meeting became very aggressive.

We and all the other human right groups left, leaving us all with a bad feeling. Just one small group can turn a serious demand (a fair trial for a member of a minority) into something you can´t control anymore and you can´t agree with.
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As most people outside of Chile, i suspect you don't know who he is. Luciano Pitronello Schuffeneger is a Chilean anarchist who accidentaly blew up his hands attempting to place a homemade bomb in a bank at 2:30 a.m. The case has received a lot of press here given the state the guy ended up in and the insistance of a lot of people in the government to qualify this as a terrorist act and thus punish the guy to many years in prison (what is it about right wingers and their obsession with terrorism anyway?), in spite of the fact that he was only person who was injured.

looking at the foreign press, i found this classless gem from the Daily Mail, a newspaper which is probly even more awful than the rightwing trash we get here. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...side-bank.html

the schadenfreude and the anger expressed by many people is quite frankly disgusting. he was just a guy driven by his ideals and to that extent deserves respect, imo.
Oh god. That is absolutely hilarious. The very fact that he didn't get blown up but instead became a cripple forced to suffer for the rest of his life is poetic justice in itself. It's better than death penalty IMO. It would be an intresting and amusing punishment if modern governments replaced life imprisonment and capital punishment with just cutting off criminal's hands and ripping out his tongue and letting him go free. After all, what harm could he possibly do to the rest of the society?
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Oh god. That is absolutely hilarious. The very fact that he didn't get blown up but instead became a cripple forced to suffer for the rest of his life is poetic justice in itself. It's better than death penalty IMO. It would be an intresting and amusing punishment if modern governments replaced life imprisonment and capital punishment with just cutting off criminal's hands and ripping out his tongue and letting him go free. After all, what harm could he possibly do to the rest of the society?
you're a bit of a sicko, right? i advice you to go see get a psyichologist/psyquiatric combo. there might still be some hope with the proper treatment.
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you're a bit of a sicko, right? i advice you to go see get a psyichologist/psyquiatric combo. there might still be some hope with the proper treatment.
I see nothing sick with treating criminals with cruelty and brutality to discourage others from similar acts. If you ever saw a crippled wretch, as a result of his crimes, would you entertain similar actions? All of your "principles" and "morals" that go against the law would quickly evaporate. Society needs order and treating criminals with sympathy and kid gloves is not the way to go about achieving that order.
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I feel sorry for the Guy. Plain and Simple. He didn't mean to hurt any Public but just meant to make a statement through his act. The Guy deserves respect.
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i know you're basque so i'm guessing you have experienced in a more familiar basis what terrorism can do.

yet, i don't see this guy as a terrorist. he didnt mean to harm others, just property in the middle of the night, when no-one is watching and therefore no-one is there to panic or feel, well, terror.

in any case, violence has been at the root of virtually every major change in the history of mankind. sometimes it is necessary to shake things up a bit in order to advance.
What if there was a night watchman there? what if there was a security upgrade going out at the bank during the night and someone was working there?

The issue I have with this is that there were far too many variables involved, he couldn't guaranteed he wasn't going to hurt people and for the non-watching part, where did the people who helped him coming from? nowhere?

If he wanted to make a statement instead of a bomb why didn't he think of something else to break the crystals of the bank and simply run away? it's the same principle, just far less dangerous.

When I was a teenager I knew a guy through a friend, he seemed to be a "normal" person, didn't really get into much trouble, I wasn't exactly friends with him but I had exchanged more than a few words with him, gone to parties, etc.

We all started uni and after a while I kinda lost track of the guy.

Next thing I knew, he had blown himself to pieces in France creating bombs for ETA.

No matter how careful you are, when you play with explosives, someone is bound to get hurt and that's why I can't have sympathy for this guy, if you play with fire, you will get burnt. It's a law of life.
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