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Old 08-05-2012, 07:45 AM   #1
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Default Olympics point distribution. McEnroe thinks they should be the same as Slams

Do you think Olympics should award more points? At first i think they should and then i realized that it would be unfair to the likes of Granollers, Andujar, Ferrero, Llodra, because they would have not had the chance to compete for the points. What if there are 5 Spaniards in the top 10, the 5th ranked spaniard would be treated unfairly as he wouldn't have the chance to earn points.

I think it should stay the same or awards no points wherein no other tournaments are held the same week.

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Old 08-05-2012, 07:50 AM   #2
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Once in 4 years I think we can survive any points distribution

Glad this thing will be over today so MTF can go back to regular threads of mugs and hate
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It should award no points.
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It's fine as it is.

Honestly, I agree with AJ, it should have no points--players should be doing it to represent their country, not for personal glory, like how Davis Cup should have no points. Plus, the winner gets penalized in a way the following year when the points come off and aren't replaced until (if he even qualifies) for the next Olympiad.
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should award zero points.
400 points or 800 what is is currently is laughable.
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It's fine as it is.

Honestly, I agree with AJ, it should have no points--players should be doing it to represent their country, not for personal glory, like how Davis Cup should have no points. Plus, the winner gets penalized in a way the following year when the points come off and aren't replaced until (if he even qualifies) for the next Olympiad.
I would agree wholeheartedly with this on one condition. The ATP would need to reschedule their events so that players who go deep at the Olympics or the respective surrounding tournaments aren't disadvantaged. 1 week off would be a condition. Playing for one's country shouldn't impede one's regular job.

We see what is happening now with Toronto.

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Default Re: Olympics point distribution

It should definitely be worth points in my opinion. The rankings are supposed to reflect who are the better players.

1000 is too much because, as the OP pointed out, some players are excluded for reasons other than their ranking (unlike Masters1000).
500 is too little as the field and incentives are much higher than an ATP500.

750 is just right.
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In every Olympic year several tournaments scheduled around the Olympics suffer.
If the Olympics would be awarded more ranking points it's logical, I think, that those tournaments would suffer even more.
Is that neccessary, given that the Olympics are not so attractive for their ranking points nor for money, but for winning for one's country and so on (as many forum members repeatedly pointed out)?

That said, the concerns the thread starter expresses may be even more compelling and it's thinkable that there would be a players lobby against the proposed changes.

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It should award no points.
I actually agree with that.
It would be the best solution for the above mentioned tournaments as well as the mentioned affected players.

However, ranking points definitely generate an extra incentive for the players.
The players are not used anymore to play only for their home country (and prestige). Look at the DavisCup.
I can't say how severe the differences were, but without ranking points the Olympic tennis tournament wouldn't be as popular for the players as it is today!
The ATP decided to promote Tennis around the globe, at the cost of Marcel Granollers and others, who become victims for the "higher goal". (Although I personally don't like it.)
But well, 750 points is not so very much. It's like the happy medium in a way and seems quite sophisticated a decision by the ATP.

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It should definitely be worth points in my opinion. The rankings are supposed to reflect who are the better players.

1000 is too much because, as the OP pointed out, some players are excluded for reasons other than their ranking (unlike Masters1000).
500 is too little as the field and incentives are much higher than an ATP500.

750 is just right.
Are you serious? No other Olympic event awards points, lets say the athletics the Olympics performances do not go to the Diamond League which are their biggest events during the year.

Next of all these points can't be defended so what's the point of having them. In a sporting sense getting points for playing the Olympics and Davis Cup is awful. There are plenty of opportunities during the year to earn individual glory.

Ranking points does not make the Games any more prestigious and winning an Olympic medal is something no points can effectively measure and you'd find out soon enough which players would generally want to play if there were no points on offer.
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It should award no points.
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Since players can't make it to OG draw based strictly on their rankings there should be no points at all awarded at this event.
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Are you serious? No other Olympic event awards points, lets say the athletics the Olympics performances do not go to the Diamond League which are their biggest events during the year.

Next of all these points can't be defended so what's the point of having them. In a sporting sense getting points for playing the Olympics and Davis Cup is awful. There are plenty of opportunities during the year to earn individual glory.

Ranking points does not make the Games any more prestigious and winning an Olympic medal is something no points can effectively measure and you'd find out soon enough which players would generally want to play if there were no points on offer.
I didn't know about other sports. That's interesting.

I know how you love hypothetical analysis (), so I'm going to use it in my argument. Say the world's top 2 have almost identical years (2 Slams each etc) and the year end ranking points without Olympics is 10,005 to 10,000. But the player with 10,000 ranking points won the Olympics. Surely he deserves to be world number one as everyone would say (correctly) that he had the better year.
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I didn't know about other sports. That's interesting.

I know how you love hypothetical analysis (), so I'm going to use it in my argument. Say the world's top 2 have almost identical years (2 Slams each etc) and the year end ranking points without Olympics is 10,005 to 10,000. But the player with 10,000 ranking points won the Olympics. Surely he deserves to be world number one as everyone would say (correctly) that he had the better year.
Straight out no. There is nothing that justifies points for the Olympic Games, as I said they can't be defended the next year and they can't have them last 4 years. If they need ranking points to get the top players to play the Games, then you know the status is flawed. Haas/Kafelnikov and Rosset/Arrese busting their arses over 5 sets only for the honour of winning gold for their countries, as I said it will never GS level, it's a unique event that can't be measured by points.

Year end number 1 is irrelevant it was only something Americans came up to justify at the time Sampras being the greatest ever. Consecutive weeks is a better indicator, so the hypothetical doesn't wash.
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Olympics shouldn't award any points.

It's not about ranking, it's about the achievement.
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750 points is good. If OG didn't give points, playing there wold lead missing points from somewhere, like Toronto this year. And even if there are no OG every year, you can "defend" your OG points by playing in other tournaments, like Canada you've possibly missed this year. And if you don't qualify to OG, you can get points easier than usual in tournaments like Washington this year.
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