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Old 08-04-2012, 01:30 AM   #61
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Del Potro losing proves he is a future grand slam winner instead of staying a one time wonder.

If he won it would have shown true mental strength. Many guys have pushed Fed to the edge who suck and couldnt win. Happens once each tourny.
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:31 AM   #62
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I do think people underestimate how much harder it must be to do simple shots like backhand slices etc when Del Potro is putting his full speed forehands straight back at you and painting the lines.

Murray may well have beaten 2009 US Open Federer, but not one part of me believes he would have beaten 2009 US Open Del Potro.
but he lost to Cilic invalid argument.

Fact: Del Potro has a Grand Slam and has much more heart than Murray will ever have
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:45 AM   #63
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I'm pretty sure that Murray can't generate the sort of devastating and consistent power off both wings that Del Potro can, and thus can't dictate his own fate against the best players in the game in the biggest matches. He was dictated by Federer in all his Slam finals, Del Potro managed to put Federer on the back foot with huge winners off both wings, that was the main difference.
Tardism at its finest.
Those huge winners you talk about can only happen if Del Potro has the upper hand in the point from the start of the rally. Otherwise Del Potro has no deffensive skills, he is a sitting duck when reciving against Fed. The only way he can break is if Fed has an awful serving day.
Surprise, surprise Fed had an awful serving day in that bloody USO final when he managed only 51% first serves in and he made 11 DFs (that's rock bottom when it comes to the Federer serve).
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Whoever thinks USO 2009 was a fluke is a moron. I would love to see everyone getting their shit together to see 2009 (USO) Delpo, 2011 Novak and 2010 Rafa in 1 tourney (maybe USO) and it would be fantastic if Fed could roll beck the time and get to 2006 lvl.. Just for 1 tourney guys, then you can go back to getting things done vs less players with 60% of your game.
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Tardism at its finest.
Those huge winners you talk about can only happen if Del Potro has the upper hand in the point from the start of the rally. Otherwise Del Potro has no deffensive skills, he is a sitting duck when reciving against Fed. The only way he can break is if Fed has an awful serving day.
Surprise, surprise Fed had an awful serving day in that bloody USO final when he managed only 51% first serves in and he made 11 DFs (that's rock bottom when it comes to the Federer serve).
Ah his defense is actually quite decent for a big guy (although obviously far from someone like Murray) and more important his forehand on the run is the best on tour. In that USO final, he won a lot of points from defensive positions with blistering forehands on the run that Federer couldn't get a racket on. Even today he had quite a few points like that.
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Whoever thinks USO 2009 was a fluke is a moron. I would love to see everyone getting their shit together to see 2009 (USO) Delpo, 2011 Novak and 2010 Rafa in 1 tourney (maybe USO) and it would be fantastic if Fed could roll beck the time and get to 2006 lvl.. Just for 1 tourney guys, then you can go back to getting things done vs less players with 60% of your game.
in such event, Fed beats them all actually
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Ah his defense is actually quite decent for a big guy (although obviously far from someone like Murray) and more important his forehand on the run is the best on tour. In that USO final, he won a lot of points from defensive positions with blistering forehands on the run that Federer couldn't get a racket on. Even today he had quite a few points like that.
The American commentator (forget who) said Del Potro's running forehand is the best since Sampras. They might be right.
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in such event, Fed beats them all actually
I just knew some one will bring up that myth. I'm not saying that he wouldn't win, just saying JesusFed who can't lose a match, and to those guys in that form, is nonsence. In 2006 he lost 4 times to 2006 Nadal. Why wouldn't he lose to 2010 Nadal? Again, i would give them 25% chances each, and let them fight it out. But ofc, that wont happen
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Back in 2009, he was kinda future number #1. I believe he belongs in top 4, but he may never get back there with his injuries. He had some hip problems today?
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Whoever thinks USO 2009 was a fluke is a moron. I would love to see everyone getting their shit together to see 2009 (USO) Delpo, 2011 Novak and 2010 Rafa in 1 tourney (maybe USO) and it would be fantastic if Fed could roll beck the time and get to 2006 lvl.. Just for 1 tourney guys, then you can go back to getting things done vs less players with 60% of your game.
And 2012 Murray
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Whoever thinks USO 2009 was a fluke is a moron. I would love to see everyone getting their shit together to see 2009 (USO) Delpo, 2011 Novak and 2010 Rafa in 1 tourney (maybe USO) and it would be fantastic if Fed could roll beck the time and get to 2006 lvl.. Just for 1 tourney guys, then you can go back to getting things done vs less players with 60% of your game.
The only interesting matchup there imo would be Djokovic vs Delpo.

Nadal def. Federer

Federer def. Djokovic

Federer def. Del Potro

Djokovic def. Nadal*

Del Potro def. Nadal*


This could be different if Nadal served like USO 2010.


Djokovic vs Del Potro would be the most interesting one imo.

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The American commentator (forget who) said Del Potro's running forehand is the best since Sampras. They might be right.
I think he is right. It is an amazing shot; only little problem is that he can't crush low balls with it. But when it's high or even medium height, he will kill them.

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The only interesting matchup there imo would be Djokovic vs Delpo.

Nadal def. Federer

Federer def. Djokovic

Federer def. Del Potro

Djokovic def. Nadal*

Del Potro def. Nadal*


This could be different if Nadal served like USO 2010.


Djokovic vs Del Potro would be the most interesting one imo.
I think 2006 Federer beats 2010 Nadal at the US Open to be honest, matchup issue or not
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I think 2006 Federer beats 2010 Nadal at the US Open to be honest, matchup issue or not
He might beat him on fast hardcourts for sure, but overall advantage Nadal due to their matchup.

That said, if Nadal serves like USO 2010 doubt Federer would beat him anywhere, even indoors to be honest.

Federer loses to Nadal when Rafa is serving like a WTA player; now add tons of free points off serve and do the math, things definitely don't look good for Federer. I have to wonder why Rafa stopped serving like that, he was downright scary in USO 2010.
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I think 2006 Federer beats 2010 Nadal at the US Open to be honest, matchup issue or not
It doesn't have to be USO, pick an even which you think makes them most evenly matched. Not RG so Rafa>the rest or SW19 Fed>the rest. Some neutral ground...
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It doesn't have to be USO, pick an even which you think makes them most evenly matched. Not RG so Rafa>the rest or SW19 Fed>the rest. Some neutral ground...
I agree it would be a fun tournament, but I am unsure what place would be most neutral. And is it not only the place. Both US Open and Australian Open were much slower in 2011 - Djokovic' year - than in Federers' year 2006.
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