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Old 08-03-2012, 06:00 PM   #211
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not surprising but just hope physically that match today hasnt hurt something on him, making the decision so soon after the win
I find it fair if a player withdraws before the draws comes out.Why should he wait until monday or tuesday?
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:02 PM   #212
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If Kohlschreiber is healthy and plays this tournament, perhaps he could win it. If he wins it he could move up to world #13.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:06 PM   #213
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Default Re: Will Toronto be a washout? Nadal, Ferrer, Verdasco & Monfils withdraw

l'équipe annonces that wawa is out due to some knee issue


for the tournament, djoko will have to play this
berdych and tsonga should win this
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:08 PM   #214
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knew wawa didnt look right in Fedrinka dbls matches
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Default Re: Will Toronto be a washout? Nadal, Ferrer, Verdasco & Monfils withdraw

Wow what an idiots Federer and Del Potro playing 4 hours in a tournament same level as ATP 250 and not to be a able to participate in a much more prestigious Toronto Masters, not to mention crying like little girls after the match, no? (Though they probably cried because they couldn't participate in Toronto, no?).
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Berdych should be well rested.
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Cincinnati TD will be loving this though, all the top players will be taking it seriously as USO preparation.
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Wow what an idiots Federer and Del Potro playing 4 hours in a tournament same level as ATP 250 and not to be a able to participate in a much more prestigious Toronto Masters, not to mention crying like little girls after the match, no? (Though they probably cried because they couldn't participate in Toronto, no?).
Um ... Toronto tournament more prestigious than the Olympics? Really?

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Um ... Toronto tournament more prestigious than the Olympics? Really?

Haven't you been reading MTF the past few week?
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Default Re: Will Toronto be a washout? Nadal, Ferrer, Verdasco & Monfils withdraw

Not surprised.. he is injured after all, but lets face it.. it's not like he would have won this tournament anyway. He's a complete mug on hard court. Might as well withdraw and save the knees for the clay tourneys.. it's all he can win these days.
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so thats 11 of the top 30 and 4 of the top 10 out of the rogers cup

as i said before i do feel bad for the organisers. if murray and djokovic dont go what big names will they have to promote?
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Here's the list, red is confirmed out and green is possible out due to playing Sunday at Olympics.

1 Djokovic, Novak SRB 1

OUT Nadal, Rafael ESP 2
OUT Federer, Roger SUI 3

4 Murray, Andy GBR 4
OUT Ferrer, David ESP 5
6 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 6
7 Berdych, Tomas CZE 7
8 Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 8
9 Del Potro, Juan Martin ARG 9
10 Isner, John USA 10
OUT Almagro, Nicolas ESP 11
12 Fish, Mardy USA 12
13 Simon, Gilles FRA 13
14 Monaco, Juan ARG 14
OUT Monfils, Gael FRA 15
OUT Verdasco, Fernando ESP 16

17 Lopez, Feliciano ESP 17
18 Cilic, Marin CRO 18
19 Gasquet, Richard FRA 19
20 Nishikori, Kei JPN 20
21 Dolgopolov, Alexandr UKR 21
22 Raonic, Milos CAN 22
23 Granollers, Marcel ESP 23
OUT Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI 24
OUT Roddick, Andy USA 25

26 Seppi, Andreas ITA 26
27 Stepanek, Radek CZE 27
28 Tomic, Bernard AUS 28
29 Mayer, Florian GER 29
30 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 30
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Here's the list, red is confirmed out and green is possible out due to playing Sunday at Olympics.

1 Djokovic, Novak SRB 1

OUT Nadal, Rafael ESP 2
OUT Federer, Roger SUI 3

4 Murray, Andy GBR 4
OUT Ferrer, David ESP 5
6 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 6
7 Berdych, Tomas CZE 7
8 Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 8
9 Del Potro, Juan Martin ARG 9
10 Isner, John USA 10
OUT Almagro, Nicolas ESP 11
12 Fish, Mardy USA 12
13 Simon, Gilles FRA 13
14 Monaco, Juan ARG 14
OUT Monfils, Gael FRA 15
OUT Verdasco, Fernando ESP 16

17 Lopez, Feliciano ESP 17
18 Cilic, Marin CRO 18
19 Gasquet, Richard FRA 19
20 Nishikori, Kei JPN 20
21 Dolgopolov, Alexandr UKR 21
22 Raonic, Milos CAN 22
23 Granollers, Marcel ESP 23
OUT Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI 24
OUT Roddick, Andy USA 25

26 Seppi, Andreas ITA 26
27 Stepanek, Radek CZE 27
28 Tomic, Bernard AUS 28
29 Mayer, Florian GER 29
30 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 30
This is how seeding should look if we take confirmed and expected withdrawals...


1 Berdych, Tomas (CZE)
2 Tipsarevic, Janko (SRB)
3 Monaco, Juan (ARG)
4 Isner, John (USA)
5 Simon, Gilles (FRA)
6 Cilic, Marin (CRO)
7 Fish, Mardy (USA)
8 Kohlschreiber, Philipp (GER)
9 Nishikori, Kei (JPN)
10 Verdasco, Fernando (ESP)
11 Monfils, Gael (FRA)
12 Mayer, Florian (GER)
13 Raonic, Milos (CAN)
14 Dolgopolov, Alexandr (UKR)
15 Stepanek, Radek (CZE)
16 Granollers, Marcel (ESP)
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:01 PM   #224
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The ATP had no other choice if one thinks carefully, considering that they have no weight in the decision in the dates of the Olympic Games.
It's not like the ATP just discovered the Olympics were going to happen 4 or 5 months ago; they have been aware of the scheduling problem posed here for years. Surely, they could have planned some better scheduling arrangement than this.


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the notion of "defending" points only has a signification in a case of a player who has a massive advantage on one surface like Nadal on clay.

Beside that, I don't use this notion like that : the points from last year are lost 52 weeks later anyway then everything starts from zero and you do your best in every tournament. That's the way I see it.

Djokovic and Fed will be top-2 seeds in the US Open anyway

Besides, I don't think Djokovic will withdraw : he lost his double in first round in 2 sets and didn't have very tough matches, the Olympics are not tiring at all for him so far

I can see Federer (old) and even Murray (used to not being interested in other tournaments than slams and Olympics recently and still in mixed doubles) withdrawing much more than Djokovic withdrawing.
How can you believe that the world #2 and arguably the current best HC player is not a big favorite to defend his points in Toronto? It's not like Nole is a #60 ranked journeyman that would have a small chance at defending his Toronto title. At the very least he is a strong co-favorite. With the race this year being so close, being unable to try and defend 1000 pts could make a huge difference. Although I want Fed to end year #1, I still want it to happen fairly and without putting other players at a disadvantage, especially one that could probably have been avoided.

At this point, I see Fed, Nole, and Murray all pulling out. Nole has to play at least 2 more matches here with the last match taking place Sunday. Even if these matches are relatively easy, he still has to deal with making a transatlantic flight and adjusting to a completely different surface. I don't see how doing this in the span of 2 days would not cause major fatigue/possible injury especially after playing an entire week beforehand.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:22 PM   #225
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This is bound to happen when the length of the season is reduced(without reducing the number of major tournaments).

And when you talk about unfairness, surely it is more unfair to Federer, who has to defend 3000 points in three weeks at the end of the season.
I agree that the schedule is bad for Fed as well, but he does a have a little more flexibility here. Although I know he would never do it, Fed could have skipped Basel this year and made up the points in Monte Carlo. Also Fed could skip Paris and play Shanghai instead.
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