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Old 08-01-2012, 04:00 AM   #61
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Aren't most tourneys required to have a top ten player?
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:04 AM   #62
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For Ferrer counting only 9 Masters, Slams and Year-end.
seeding for Aussie Open ranking of jan. 9, 2012 ferrer had 3500, which would have placed him to be the 7th seed still with rome and canada as 0 pointers
seeding for french open ranking as of may 21, 2012 ferrer had 2945, which would have been placed him as the 8th seed with canada as 0 pointers
seeding for wimbledon ranking as of june 18, 2012 ferrer had 3485, which would have been placed him as the 7th seed ignoring wimble seeding rules and with canada as 0 pointers
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It needs to be said that Ferrer actually got great h2hs against players outside the top 4, he doesnt fear the big 4 powerplayers and usually defeats them on any kind of surface.

Ferrer plays Barcelona every year with the knowledge that he certanly will be defeated in the final against Nadal. Ferrer simply seems to play alot of tournaments and would still be top 5-6 every year even taking away some mickey mouse tournaments from his resume, the thing I notice is that Ferrer got no great advantage in the rankings from playing in smaller venues. He would either h<ve to aim for top 4 to avoid top 3 before SF or get out of top 8 to have a big impact on his draws but he has always been far away from reaching either scenario.

Monaco, Almagro, Fish and company is another story altogether ofcourse.
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I don't want to start a thread but please define Mug. I guessed that NID is Never In Doubt. I always thought Mug was my coffee cup.
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I don't want to start a thread but please define Mug. I guessed that NID is Never In Doubt. I always thought Mug was my coffee cup.
Judging by the way this term is widely use here, I guess MUG is an abbreviation for Most Useless Guy
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Mug is actually just a generic term for a professional tennis player.
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Exactly, because then it wouldn't be right calling Wozniacki a useless guy would it?
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I'd like to duplicate my post from the other "Vulture" thread.

Top-10 wins per title run (all)

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Player           Titles      Top-10 wins          Av.Top-10 win
                          during title runs       per title run

R Federer          75            112                  1.493
N Djokovic         30             40                  1.333
R Nadal            50             64                  1.280
D Nalbandian       11             14                  1.273
A Murray           22             24                  1.091
L Hewitt           28             25                  0.893
T Haas             13             11                  0.846
R Soderling        10              8                  0.800
N Davydenko        21             13                  0.619
JM Del Potro       11              6                  0.545
JC Ferrero         16              8                  0.500
J Blake            10              4                  0.400
N Almagro          12              4                  0.333
A Roddick          32              9                  0.281
T Robredo          10              2                  0.200
D Ferrer           16              3                  0.188
G Simon            10              1                  0.100

Top-10 wins per title run (excluding YEC)

Code:
Player           Titles      Top-10 wins          Av.Top-10 win
                          during title runs       per title run

R Nadal            50             64                  1.280
N Djokovic         29             36                  1.241
R Federer          69             83                  1.203
A Murray           22             24                  1.091
D Nalbandian       10             10                  1.000
T Haas             13             11                  0.846
R Soderling        10              8                  0.800
L Hewitt           26             17                  0.654
JM Del Potro       11              6                  0.545
JC Ferrero         16              8                  0.500
N Davydenko        20              9                  0.450
J Blake            10              4                  0.400
N Almagro          12              4                  0.333
A Roddick          32              9                  0.281
T Robredo          10              2                  0.200
D Ferrer           16              3                  0.188
G Simon            10              1                  0.100
Note: active players with 10+ titles listed.
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a)artificially boosts rankings by playing many MM events with joke draws

b)comes up short at big events

c) lacks talent- makes up for it by playing alot

connors fits criteria a)
but not criteria B) which is the biggie

current vultures are roddick and monaco

i think ferrer is borderline but he's talented...ish
Umm, no. Roddick is far from the player he once was, and this might very well be his last year of professional tennis. The difference between him and these other guys are nearly a decade in the top ten with a Major and five or six Masters to his name. He can do whatever the hell he wants these days.

Besides, he entered Atlanta ranked in the low 20's and beat a top 11 guy on the way to his victory. Taking his form for what it is these days, rather than what it was, that's actually a good result.

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I'd like to duplicate my post from the other "Vulture" thread.

Top-10 wins per title run (all)

Code:
Player           Titles      Top-10 wins          Av.Top-10 win
                          during title runs       per title run

R Federer          75            112                  1.493
N Djokovic         30             40                  1.333
R Nadal            50             64                  1.280
D Nalbandian       11             14                  1.273
A Murray           22             24                  1.091
L Hewitt           28             25                  0.893
T Haas             13             11                  0.846
R Soderling        10              8                  0.800
N Davydenko        21             13                  0.619
JM Del Potro       11              6                  0.545
JC Ferrero         16              8                  0.500
J Blake            10              4                  0.400
N Almagro          12              4                  0.333
A Roddick          32              9                  0.281
T Robredo          10              2                  0.200
D Ferrer           16              3                  0.188
G Simon            10              1                  0.100

Top-10 wins per title run (excluding YEC)

Code:
Player           Titles      Top-10 wins          Av.Top-10 win
                          during title runs       per title run

R Nadal            50             64                  1.280
N Djokovic         29             36                  1.241
R Federer          69             83                  1.203
A Murray           22             24                  1.091
D Nalbandian       10             10                  1.000
T Haas             13             11                  0.846
R Soderling        10              8                  0.800
L Hewitt           26             17                  0.654
JM Del Potro       11              6                  0.545
JC Ferrero         16              8                  0.500
N Davydenko        20              9                  0.450
J Blake            10              4                  0.400
N Almagro          12              4                  0.333
A Roddick          32              9                  0.281
T Robredo          10              2                  0.200
D Ferrer           16              3                  0.188
G Simon            10              1                  0.100
Note: active players with 10+ titles listed.
this doesn't prove anything, cause it's about their opponents and not the field
Ferrer wins.
Titles won ranked outside the top 10
2002 Bucharest ranked 86
2006 Stuttgart ranked 18
2007 Auckland ranked 13
2007 Bastad ranked 15
2010 Acapulco ranked 19

tours with top 10
Auckland 2007 7 Tommy Robredo (Finalist)
9 Mario Ančić (Second Round)
Bastad 2007 7 Tommy Robredo (First round)
Netherland 2008 10 Richard Gasquet (Second Round)
Valencia 2010 4 Andy Murray (Second Round)
5 Robin Söderling (Semifinals)
7 Fernando Verdasco (Second Round)
Acapulco 2011 9 Fernando Verdasco (First Round)
Auckland 2012 10 Nicolás Almagro (Quarterfinals)

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this doesn't prove anything, cause it's about their opponents and not the field
Ferrer wins.
Titles won ranked outside the top 10
2002 Bucharest ranked 86
2006 Stuttgart ranked 18
2007 Auckland ranked 13
2007 Bastad ranked 15
2008 's-Hertogenbosch ranked 23
2010 Acapulco ranked 19

tours with top 10
Auckland 2007 7 Tommy Robredo (Finalist)
9 Mario Ančić (Second Round)
Bastad 2007 7 Tommy Robredo (First round)
Netherland 2008 10 Richard Gasquet (Second Round)
Valencia 2010 4 Andy Murray (Second Round)
5 Robin Söderling (Semifinals)
7 Fernando Verdasco (Second Round)
Acapulco 2011 9 Fernando Verdasco (First Round)
Auckland 2012 10 Nicolás Almagro (Quarterfinals)
Where are you getting these numbers from? They're incorrect.
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I don't want to start a thread but please define Mug. I guessed that NID is Never In Doubt. I always thought Mug was my coffee cup.
british slang for idiot or something like this. It's always been used on betfairs forums by the gamblers. Whenever a gmabler loses a bet on say Fed Murray etc the player is an instant mug.
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Listen once and for all ........
A vulture: Is NOT A GUY WHO fails at slams and then plays weak tournaments (cause it seems that he can't beat good players it's normal to play in weaker field !!!)
IT's a player that IS GOOD AT SLAMS (Ferrer) and STILL plays WEAK fields ! (cause he knows he can win them .....) and if you fail at winning weak tournament (it isn't vulturing) cause it just means that they are not good enough ergo WEAK player thus logically plays weak fields (easy to understand)
AND TO Those sick fucks that don't understand it or pretend that don't understand it cause of knowing that they are wrong ... i'm sorry for them
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This is a WTA term.

(Queen) Vulture = Radwanska
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