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Old 07-26-2012, 06:37 PM   #196
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Default Re: Clay Death Permaban: Consider rescinding please.

Permaban for repeated rule violations is quite an idiotic concept.
Think about an habitual offender with multiple convictions.
This guy got caught again doing a shoplifting. Because he is guilty of repeated rule violations, they are going to sentence him to jail for life. Just wrong.

It's exactly what they are doing to Clay Death.
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Anyone who is permabanned is that for a reason... Just look at the list!

Personally I didn't care too much for Clay Death so I'm not sad to see him gone. He did have some good posts but I don't appreciate that some people here seem to try to glorify him. He wasn't that great and it's not a surprise to see him banned permanently, considering how he sometimes behaved in GM (and the ACC threads last year).
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Default Re: Clay Death Permaban: Consider rescinding please.

All of this thread is sad, sad that We reach a situation when ppl get a per-ban or ban at all.
I think ppl should get a ban forever only when they say a racist remark (in all its forms) or a double account. (Do not think I'm against punishments when ppl cross the line).

this place was Created, exists and lives on TENNIS talks, i know sometimes other ppl's Views & Opinions can drive u crazy esp' if tennis is ur passion or u love a player like i love fed (for some its nole, murray, rafa atc atc) but ppl call each other names? bash each other? i heard there's a clown Competition when ppl vote? don't u find it crazy or out of ur class to deal or take part in things like that?

Im not a saint or anything Close to it but i dont know 99.9% of u, u can call me names or insult fed, i wont comment or answer back even if i will want to b/c i dont know u and i came here not to fight with others i came to talk about tennis and get to know ppl who love it from every corner of the world.

i doubt if any of u know my name or my nick, i used to get into GM alot but its hard and its getting harder, one open a thread about something and after 2 seconds its a mess and the hate flows.

can we all open a new and clean page, everyone between everyone? can you forgive even if u cant forget?(im not talking about the ppl who are per-ban im leaving it to the mod's of this site) can we come back to the reason we came here for the first place? u all remember im sure.

I get it its hard, Different people like different players, speak a different language with a different mentality and religion, it cant get any Worse then it right? so many Difference between us but theres two thing in comment to everyone, we love tennis and we love this place.


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Default Re: Clay Death Permaban: Consider rescinding please.

^^ No.

This is a moderated site with rules for posting. Clay Death has been in breach of the rules numerous times. How many times has he been banned in the past? 6 month bans don't work for him. He's had more chances than he deserves, IMO.

People bait each other all the time on GM - you don't have to bite unless you want to.
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leng jai has nothing to do with this. This is about CD.
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Default Re: Clay Death Permaban: Consider rescinding please.

I think all that needs to be said has already been said on this issue. I just hope that the administrators at least consider bringing Clay Death back.
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I thought we are taking this into chat threads soon
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From the interactions I had with him Clay Death was a intelligent, reasonable poster with a good sense of humor, this despite his love of Clay and Nadal a surface and player I don't like very much. I think a perma ban is very harsh for what is a very useful asset to this forum and implore the mods to change their mind and make the right decision, unbanning Clay Death.
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From the interactions I had with him Clay Death was a intelligent, reasonable poster with a good sense of humor, this despite his love of Clay and Nadal a surface and player I don't like very much. I think a perma ban is very harsh for what is a very useful asset to this forum and implore the mods to change their mind and make the right decision, unbanning Clay Death.
..I'm not sure what is so baffling about this topic. Were you here in 2008 when he joined? Have you taken a look at all his posts in general? Probably no to both. Fact is, he might be "nice" to you but what does that have to do with his clownish behavior elsewhere? Maybe he should be unbanned and only be allowed to talk to TigerTim. People, or rather his supporters, are taking this way too narrow and not looking at the big picture. As was mentioned several times, Clay Fail was absolutely atrocious early on, he got banned a couple of times for his behavior, got warned many times, got a little better but continued to show his foolishness here and there which has led to what it is now. End of story really.

Regardless, if he does get un-permabanned, I'm sure there were be other requests to look at other permabanned posters as well, which is why I think the mods will most likely keep Clay Fail banned because making an exception will make them look like they poorly executed the banning in the first place and it will cause additional questions afterwards.
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..I'm not sure what is so baffling about this topic. Were you here in 2008 when he joined? Have you taken a look at all his posts in general? Probably no to both. Fact is, he might be "nice" to you but what does that have to do with his clownish behavior elsewhere? Maybe he should be unbanned and only be allowed to talk to TigerTim. People, or rather his supporters, are taking this way too narrow and not looking at the big picture. As was mentioned several times, Clay Fail was absolutely atrocious early on, he got banned a couple of times for his behavior, got warned many times, got a little better but continued to show his foolishness here and there which has led to what it is now. End of story really.

Regardless, if he does get un-permabanned, I'm sure there were be other requests to look at other permabanned posters as well, which is why I think the mods will most likely keep Clay Fail banned because making an exception will make them look like they poorly executed the banning in the first place and it will cause additional questions afterwards.
This would be a fair point, but you resort to calling Hercules 'Clay Fail'

That's completely unnecessary when we're trying to have a logical discussion.

And as much as we are 'supporters', you quite obviously have some beef with the guy.

And why should him being a really nice bloke not influence the decision. That doesn't make sense to me.
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leng jai, yes, your situations are/were different. But pertinent logical comparisons can be made.
Whatever the excuse, you knowingly violated one of the most serious rules on the site - double or multiple accounts.
I'm would have to guess that the moderators/administrators also reviewed your case before initially banning you for the prescribed period.

Your defenders rushed to your defense claiming that you deserved better and to not just look at the violation, but look at it in context of your posting record and in the context that you were "doing it as a joke". Based on this complaint, the administrators/moderators rightly re-reviewed your case. This required a completely subjective judgement on the part of the administrators/moderators. They quite rightly (in my opinion) ended up reducing your penalty.

Clay Death had a relatively minor infraction that happened to be reported (We know many of these types of infractions are not).
This minor infraction caused him to go over an arbitrary limit of total infractions that got him permanently banned.
This is the point I'm arguing. This kind of infraction should not get him permanently banned, it should get him banned to whatever the penalty of that infraction dictates for him. If he's violated that rule many times, then he should get the maximum penalty for that particular infraction, which shouldn't be much more than the minimum penalty for a serious offense.

Regardless, I find it rather sad that you, you who have had leniency granted to you upon re-review, apparently so dislike the poster in question (this must be the reason, I see no other), that you feel administrators shouldn't even re-review this case. It is the height of double standard/hypocrisy, and should be called out as such.

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Masterclass in vintage form How could those who have been shown mercy not only have zero empathy for CD but also be the ones casting the proverbial 1st stone. It would have been better staying clear of the thread...Human nature is weird.

Had CD been banned for anything other than a simple case of reaching the max number of minor infractions allowed it would obviously state that on his record. I think it is safe to assume that he did not commit any of the more serious offenses such as creating multiple accounts...

It is clear that folks who have committed what might ordinarily be unforgivable offenses (e.g. multiple accounts) have been re-instated back on the forum in the past...

CD deserves a fair hearing.
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Old 07-26-2012, 09:41 PM   #208
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Please UNBAN CD! He was an entertainer to the core. He always said his main objective was to keep the forum alive and lively.

HE DID JUST THAT.

MTF will lose lot of other quality posters as well if the ban is not reduced.

Bottomline he was an asset to MTF not a liability
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Hypocrisy, definitely. And a high level of decadence.

Most of these self-appointed vindicators would probably think twice before saying the things they wrote here in person.

On the internet they get carried away and don't see the thorn in their eye... or rather a log in some cases.

Oh, they all have their reasons. Their reasons. Originating from them, not CD.

You don't need a degree in psychology to see what's going on here...
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This would be a fair point, but you resort to calling Hercules 'Clay Fail'

That's completely unnecessary when we're trying to have a logical discussion.
"Logical discussion" you say, right after calling him Hercules? Embarrassing.

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And why should him being a really nice bloke not influence the decision. That doesn't make sense to me.
Because he was only a nice bloke TO SOME people. To others he was a bully. Clear enough for you?

Anyway, I find it funny how some Nadaltards bullshit around all day and then claim they are being mistreated just because the mods are Fedtards. You are not special, nor are you mistreated. Whatever you get, you probably deserve. This goes for everyone on this forum - you know how much shit you have to do to get banned here? It's a joke really.

Personally I have nothing against Nadalfans per se even though I really dislike Rafa. I have nothing against Groove or mimi or Arkulari or hat_boy or even guys like Topspindoctor or GSMNadal even though I think they are clownish sometimes (because so are Fedtards). The biggest forum clowns though, consist for some reason mostly of Nadaltards (see the ACC results). CD was one of these. He was a distinctive poster, that's true, and the reason for that was that he was so repetitive. But he was also insulting and like many have said HAD A HISTORY OF PERSONAL ATTACKS AND SUBSEQUENT BANS. He is not a martyr, not a victim of corrupt moderation, not an innocent bystander. For years he was knowingly balancing on the edge and finally he tipped over it.

I do not and will not ever argue that random Nadaltards should be banned from this forum. The different fanbases make this place somewhat interesting. But I do think that guys who have had countless second chances should logically run out of them eventually.
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