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Old 07-24-2012, 06:29 AM   #16
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Impressive whichever way you look at it but severely skewed by his clay dominance much like some his other stats. Every player has their best surface but not to this extent. It also helps that Federer hates playing him and the other two can't really blow him off the court.
This.

Rafa is an amazing player but his stats are heavily clay-based. He doesn't make it far in all the non-clay events so his chances of meeting top 4 players in his worst surface are lower.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:33 AM   #17
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most of the wins are on clay aren't they?

on fast surfaces he gets smashed.
Here we go again Isn't clay a tennis surface?

It is an unbelievable record, no doubt about it! Haters are gonna hate!
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:39 AM   #18
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see, the thing is, so many of his matches against the top 4 are played on clay because the rest of the top 4 (barring perhaps murray) can consistently get to the SF and F of clay events, whereas nadal is not nearly as consistent in getting to the SF and F of non-clay events compared to fed and djoko.

so in way the rest of the top 4 are punished rather than rewarded for their consistency on all surfaces by reaching late rounds at clay events where they continually lose to nadal, but nadal hardly gets to lose in the late rounds at non-clay events because he isn't good enough to get there consistently in the first place. this is also why the fed-nadal H2H is pointless, off clay nadal has a losing record against fed (although only slightly)
Oh, really, remind me again what happened at WI'08, AO'09,AO'12? How many chances does Federer need "off clay" to beat Rafa at a slam?
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:39 AM   #19
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He's clearly outstanding on clay, and much less impressive on all the other surfaces. I personally prefer, someone who's more EVEN, like the other 3.
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He's clearly outstanding on clay, and much less impressive on all the other surfaces. I personally prefer, someone who's more EVEN, like the other 3.
irrelevant what you prefer. there are a lot of big clay tournaments which means the H2H is significant stat to consider.

regardless of the surface, it is what it is. and of course he has beaten them all on hard court and grass too so it is sort of irrelevant. there are multiple surfaces that is part of the sport. if take away hard court from Murray and Djokovic then they would have almost no wins against Nadal so.

and it's false that Nadal doesn't make it too many non-clay later rounds, obviously he does. in certain years he does well against competition at these stages, and certain years he gets demolished. regardless of fashion or surface, it is very rare and pretty incredible to have a winning H2H against practically every player on tour in your career (at least thus far). I don't think there ever has been a player who had almost a perfect H2H advantage +++++ against all significant players in the field before
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irrelevant what you prefer.
What *I* think is not irrelevant to me. Do sod off.
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NID. Everybody talking about 'taking away clay'. Is it not a surface, ffs? Why don't we start taking away every fast surface in Federer's achievements, see if you're left with something more than one RG title and about a 2-14 H2H with Rafa.
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Rafa has the most impressive h2h stats!
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His H2H against top-10 players is great, but also somewhat flattering given that the top-10 players he has had the most problems with have fallen in the rankings.

If we look at career stats, Federer is slightly better against top-10 opponents. 67,2% as opposed to Nadal's 66%. Murray has 54,5% and Djokovic 54,2%. Tsonga 40,6%, Ferrer 34,9%, Del Potro 34,3%, Berdych 29,9%, Monaco 28,6% and Tipsarevic 28%.
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NID. Everybody talking about 'taking away clay'. Is it not a surface, ffs? Why don't we start taking away every fast surface in Federer's achievements, see if you're left with something more than one RG title and about a 2-14 H2H with Rafa.
If you only take the 'fast' surfaces in Fed's achievements, you'd still be left with a heap of big titles.
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His H2H against top-10 players is great, but also somewhat flattering given that the top-10 players he has had the most problems with have fallen in the rankings.

If we look at career stats, Federer is slightly better against top-10 opponents. 67,2% as opposed to Nadal's 66%. Murray has 54,5% and Djokovic 54,2%. Tsonga 40,6%, Ferrer 34,9%, Del Potro 34,3%, Berdych 29,9%, Monaco 28,6% and Tipsarevic 28%.
Skewed, irrelevant stats. Give me the stats without hardcourt matches, because that is so much more relevant.
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Rafa has played in a mug era that has lasted the past 120 years, no weak era records are impressive to me
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If you only take the 'fast' surfaces in Fed's achievements, you'd still be left with a heap of big titles.
No. I've been told yesterday Federer won almost all his AO titles on a super fast surface, and the grass was quick on all of his Wimbledon wins, and USO's as well.

So he has 2 slams, RG 09/AO 10. Impressive. I believe Rafa has more outside clay, no? But hey, Rafa is the one trick pony here. Federer just has the benefit that 3/4 slams are quick (Ao is debatable, it's still a hardcourt), and just one is slow each year.
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One cannot hold against him the domination to the virtual propensity of monopolisation of his best surface.
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