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Old 07-24-2012, 05:31 AM   #1
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Default How impressive is Nadal's 50-29 record vs. rest of top 4?

Obviously theres a direct correlation to this stat and winning slams since Murray has a dismal record in this department. Here is the rest of the top 4:

Federer: 33-38

Djokovic: 34-39

Murray: 18-29

To me Nadal's record is absolutely mind blowing. I realize that the majority of Nadal's wins are on clay and the fact that he isn't consistently playing these guys on hard courts is a knock on his game but this mark cannot be denied.

I for one thought that Nadal was done winning slams away from clay right after Djokovic eased to a 4 set win @ Wimbledon last year. Theres some support to this as its probably not well known but should be that Nadal has not won an AMS1000 event away from clay since March of 2009 at Indian Wells. Thats over a 40 month drought.

But theres no denying that to win slams its proven that you have to beat these guys and Nadal has shown that he can certainly do that. Again, I realize that Djokovic's record is not much worse than Murray's yet Nole is considered a living legend and Murray a bust so this stat doesn't tell the complete story but its definitely something to think about going forward and almost assures Nadal another slam or two.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:37 AM   #2
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most of the wins are on clay aren't they?

on fast surfaces he gets smashed.
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Yup. That is undeniably impressive. Nadal dominates the top 4. Too bad he can't keep up that level against the likes of Dodig and Rosol...
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Default Re: How impressive is Nadal's 50-29 record vs. rest of top 4?

huuuh has anyone ever seen world tour finals?
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Djokovic: 19-14

Federer: 18-10

Murray: 13-5

Tsonga: 7-3

Berdych: 12-3

Del Potro: 7-3

Ferrer: 16-4

Tipsy: 3-0

Monaco: 4-1



One more win over Monaco and Tipsy and all the current top 10 will be his pigeons
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monaco has a win over nadal? wow
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Default Re: How impressive is Nadal's 50-29 record vs. rest of top 4?

for the last time he is not nearly as good on fast surfaces.

show me the h2h on fast hc.
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Very impressive, though I think it's boosted by clay somewhat.
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Default Re: How impressive is Nadal's 50-29 record vs. rest of top 4?

Nadal has a record of 22-25 without clay

And in the top 10 he is

Federer 6-8
Djokovic 7-12
Murray 9-5
Ferrer 3-3
Tsonga 6-3
Berdych 8-3
Tipsarevic 1-0
Del Potro 5-3
Monaco 0-1

For a total of 45-38
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monaco has a win over nadal? wow
By retirement. Pico had won the first set in a tie break, and if I remember correctly, Nadal retired with a shoulder injury.


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Nadal has a record of 22-25 without clay

And in the top 10 he is

Federer 6-8
Djokovic 7-12
Murray 9-5
Ferrer 3-3
Tsonga 6-3
Berdych 8-3
Tipsarevic 1-0
Del Potro 5-3
Monaco 0-1

For a total of 45-38
Either way, while his stats are certainly skewed a bit because of clay, still impressive in general.
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Default Re: How impressive is Nadal's 50-29 record vs. rest of top 4?

It's not really fair to say, "Yes but without his best surface he sucks." If you do that, why bother comparing? Take out the best surface from Federer, Djokovic, etc and how do they stand?
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nadal leading the most important stat: h2h!

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It's not really fair to say, "Yes but without his best surface he sucks." If you do that, why bother comparing? Take out the best surface from Federer, Djokovic, etc and how do they stand?
No it isn't fair, but you see how what proportion of his wins come off clay compared to the other surfaces. Regardless, this fact alone makes it very difficult to compare, especially considering a surface like grass is barely played on, because Federer is what, 4 wins 1 losses against Novak, Andy and Rafa on grass?
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It's not really fair to say, "Yes but without his best surface he sucks." If you do that, why bother comparing? Take out the best surface from Federer, Djokovic, etc and how do they stand?
see, the thing is, so many of his matches against the top 4 are played on clay because the rest of the top 4 (barring perhaps murray) can consistently get to the SF and F of clay events, whereas nadal is not nearly as consistent in getting to the SF and F of non-clay events compared to fed and djoko.

so in way the rest of the top 4 are punished rather than rewarded for their consistency on all surfaces by reaching late rounds at clay events where they continually lose to nadal, but nadal hardly gets to lose in the late rounds at non-clay events because he isn't good enough to get there consistently in the first place. this is also why the fed-nadal H2H is pointless, off clay nadal has a losing record against fed (although only slightly)
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Impressive whichever way you look at it but severely skewed by his clay dominance much like some his other stats. Every player has their best surface but not to this extent. It also helps that Federer hates playing him and the other two can't really blow him off the court.
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