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Old 07-21-2012, 02:47 PM   #31
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No matter what the level, it is considered rude and disrespectful, otherwise it would be used more. Whenever you use it, you insult your opponent, that´s just the way it is.
It's true and the fact that it is legal is a glitch in the rules.

Just like in table tennis, it should be legit to hit a serve only if the ball has made a certain height in the air.

Just because the oponent can't be ready for such kind of shot and despite that this is the point of the surprising serve, it would be just as "legit" to serve fast while the oponent is still whipping his face with the towel facing back to the net.

That's the same as the under arm serve imo.

If one is able to make a drop shot serve with a ball thrown in the air as for a normal serve, then it's cool, but otherwise it's just kinda cheating.

I'd expect such serves from Benoit Paire in the future, he is the kind of wild tennis player with no respect for unwritten rules
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:04 PM   #32
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Gasquet would never break if it was commonly used.
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:01 PM   #33
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In all the videos though both players are ready to play and the server even starts with a service motion, so what is cheap about that?
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:18 PM   #34
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Use any legal shot you want. Tennis is about beating your opponent, you have 1 ball and a whole court to do with as you please, the underarm/drop serve should not be seen as anything other than a normal shot. Personally I think people would use it more if they weren't afraid of being seen to be "poor sports" ...that needs to stop.
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In all the videos though both players are ready to play and the server even starts with a service motion, so what is cheap about that?
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Use any legal shot you want. Tennis is about beating your opponent, you have 1 ball and a whole court to do with as you please, the underarm/drop serve should not be seen as anything other than a normal shot. Personally I think people would use it more if they weren't afraid of being seen to be "poor sports" ...that needs to stop.
It´s just the way it is. Doesn´t matter if it makes sense or not, there are unwritten rules in tennis, and underarm serve is one of them. Anyone can use it, but winning a point is a cheap reward for being seen as an a**hole.
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As long as its allowed, it should be done.. especially by those struggling with their serve.. I doubt anyone would do it on match point or anything.. too risky but gotta have any edge possible.
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It's as legitimate as a double handed backhand.
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:51 PM   #38
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It´s just the way it is. Doesn´t matter if it makes sense or not, there are unwritten rules in tennis, and underarm serve is one of them. Anyone can use it, but winning a point is a cheap reward for being seen as an a**hole.
I know it is currently seen like that... I can only assume because it is played so rarely people get shocked when it happens and perhaps this shock is seen as a negative thing. I am sure if it started creeping in to more peoples games it would lose the stigma. I can see Tomic bringing it back

Similar to the underarm "mullygrubber" bowl in cricket, although that can be used more maliciously if they need a 6 off the last ball etc...


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOLwHUlvl2g

Can't believe it worked against the Fed. He had hours to set up for that forehand.
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:52 PM   #40
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Old 07-21-2012, 05:00 PM   #41
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Just wait till someone will do it against TOP player in, let´s say GS final, victim´s fans will attack like wasps that the opponent is a cheater and is using gamesmanship.
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:04 PM   #42
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First of all it is hardly a shot that would give you a better advantage than a good first serve. So it is like a mockery of the oponent and this is counted as trying to destabilize him, just like getting a medical break out of nowhere, or faking an injury, etc.

That's just a stupid shot that would get you killed by the oponent in 8 out of 10 times.

You can't make a good drop shot from this position, so it's just useless and annoying.
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:11 PM   #43
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In all the videos though both players are ready to play and the server even starts with a service motion, so what is cheap about that?
The fact that the ball travels 10cm from the hand to the racquet, while at a normal serve it goes from 1 meter to 15 meters in the air like when Berdych serves.

It should simply be a rule like in table tennis.

And tennis as a sport is one still rated fairplay, gentlemen sport, in which these cheap trickeries are not a great advertising.

Yelling "yessss" at the oponent's UE is not forbidden, yet it's not well seen.

The crowd should be silent during the play, etc.

There are some unwritten and written rules that make this sport special and i believe it's better to keep it that way.
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:30 PM   #44
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No matter what the level, it is considered rude and disrespectful, otherwise it would be used more. Whenever you use it, you insult your opponent, that´s just the way it is.
You just made one of most stupid and ignorant statements what I ever heard in this board. It is legit - just like dropshot , or lob , or bodyserve or hitting your opponent with ball . In all of these occasions opponent looks like a damn fool out there, runnig to get the lob he cant get back,running to get dropshot over the net and then being passed like sitting duck at the net, dodging the bullet on return, screaming in pain when 150 km/ h flying ball hurts his groin.Who the fuck cares of his feelings, of course he is pissed, that is whole purpose of it - to win the point, to get returner stand closer to baseline and to make him furious.

Why pros dont use it more ? Because players are not fools, it is surprise weapon, you just cant use it too often.Player who doesnt stand too far from baseline can easily get this serve and hit return winner.
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Similar to the underarm "mullygrubber" bowl in cricket, although that can be used more maliciously if they need a 6 off the last ball etc...

Which is quite rightfully banned. Performing an underarm serve you are not reprieving the opponent of winning the point - which is done in cricket. There is nothing unsporting about it.
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