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Old 07-19-2012, 07:19 PM   #1
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Default Connors 109 vs. Rogie 75...

My question is, of Connors' 109 titles, how many of them were Mickey Mouse titles (i.e. only 16, 8, or less players in the main draw)? Rogie's events always have at least 28-32 guys in them right?
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Ofcours Rogi 75 titles >>>>>> Conors 109 MM ones
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At least 30 from his titles Connors won by beating 2-3 rounds. He himself said that
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At least 30 from his titles Connors won by beating 2-3 rounds. He himself said that
That's far from truth. He won some 6 ATP titles in 70's when he didn't played more than 3 matches
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Default Re: Connors 109 vs. Rogie 75...

Fed's titles are far more valuable. First of all modern tennis is incomparably more physical than 20-30 years ago so logically it required much more effort from Federer to collect those titles.
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My question is, of Connors' 109 titles, how many of them were Mickey Mouse titles (i.e. only 16, 8, or less players in the main draw)? Rogie's events always have at least 28-32 guys in them right?
I don't know about "Mickey Mouse" but it always interested me that only 29 of those titles were taken abroad. Mostly he got them travelling the US.
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Default Re: Connors 109 vs. Rogie 75...

Ignoring Masters and Grand slam cup here are Connors titles with 16 or less in the draw:

Roanoke 1972, Draw: 4
Baltimore 1973, Draw; 16
Jacksonville 1973, Draw: 16
Roanoke 1973, Draw: 16
Paramus 1973, Draw: 16
Roanoke 1974, Draw: 16
Manchester 1974, Draw: 16
Hampton 1976, Draw: 16
Denver 1976: Draw: 16
Birmingham 1977, Draw: 16
St Louis 1977, Draw: 16
Dallas 1977, Draw: 8
Dallas 1980, Draw: 8

Dallas was however best of five and with top players in it. What's the story there? Like a Masters in cup-form?

All in all not too many small draws. And I guess it's more important who's in the draw, really.
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Connors has won more events equivalent to 250 and 500 events than Fed. His 109 titles are legit, but if Fed gets to like 85-90, I think it'll be more impressive.
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No way for Federer wins more than 100 titles, more non-Mandatory Tournments (Non-GS, non-1000, non-ATP Tours Finals) will not contribute more race / ranking points!
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How many of his titles are close equivalents to masters tournaments? Do you know?
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Ignoring Masters and Grand slam cup here are Connors titles with 16 or less in the draw:

Roanoke 1972, Draw: 4
Baltimore 1973, Draw; 16
Jacksonville 1973, Draw: 16
Roanoke 1973, Draw: 16
Paramus 1973, Draw: 16
Roanoke 1974, Draw: 16
Manchester 1974, Draw: 16
Hampton 1976, Draw: 16
Denver 1976: Draw: 16
Birmingham 1977, Draw: 16
St Louis 1977, Draw: 16
Dallas 1977, Draw: 8
Dallas 1980, Draw: 8

Dallas was however best of five and with top players in it. What's the story there? Like a Masters in cup-form?

All in all not too many small draws. And I guess it's more important who's in the draw, really.
Dallas used to be regarded as the 5th slam, the bloke who built the USTA came from their, much of the oil money was used to lure big name players to texas in those days.
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Dallas used to be regarded as the 5th slam, the bloke who built the USTA came from their, much of the oil money was used to lure big name players to texas in those days.
This is true. Dallas was the culmination of the WCT year from 71-89, sort of like a TMC, but played in May with the top 8, and separate from the ATP Masters Year End.

List of champions:

Rosewall
Smith
Newcombe
Ashe
Borg
Connors
Gerulaitis
McEnroe
Lendl
Becker

That's about as good as it gets.
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Rosewall
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Newcombe
Ashe
Borg
Connors
Gerulaitis
McEnroe
Lendl
Becker

That's about as good as it gets.
Holy crap! All slam winners, 7 with 5+ slams (Newcombe, Borg, Jimbo, McEnroe, Becker, Ivan and Ken), no?
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Federer - the player with most tittle won abroad.

That's a new record right there
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Federer - the player with most tittle won abroad.

That's a new record right there
Depends how you define "abroad". Federer has won 69 titles outside Switzerland, but Ivan Lendl has won 94 titles outside Czechoslovakia.

Federer has the record for most titles outside the US, though, with 58. Lendl 56.
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