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traitors. should have gotten hung. 1 7.69%
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Old 07-18-2012, 05:55 PM   #1
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15345511
http://www.redcoat.me.uk/
http://www.redcoat.me.uk/Rev-War.htm

read that. so now am curious to know what do the mtf brits think about washington, jefferson etc. and their enterprise? what do you learn in school about the subject? does queen send congratulations to america on july 4th?

poll is coming only for brits.

americans are also welcome to post their view on britain as homeland of founders of settlements and colonies that became their country and as homeland of their language. do you feel any kind of sentimental attachment to britain, or you are indifferent, or you think of brits as mugs who wanted to hang jefferson & others and keep america in submission?
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Old 07-19-2012, 07:40 AM   #2
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I am very sentimentality attached to Britain. If I would have lived back during that time, I would have been on the side of the British!
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read that. so now am curious to know what do the mtf brits think about washington, jefferson etc. and their enterprise? what do you learn in school about the subject? does queen send congratulations to america on july 4th?
I did not learn anything that I can remember about it in school, we mostly learned about important hisorical stuff. ()

And at the queen possibly congratulating......I sincerely doubt it - wouldn't that be like America congratuating Vietnam for defeating it? July 4th is just another day here
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The Queen should send congratulations all of Brtain's ex-colonies on their respective national days if you ask me.

That said, Long Live the Queen.
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Of course here in the USA, the Founding Fathers are Greek gods, heroes of the modern age, and British are assholes, imposing unjust taxes on the American people, forcing Americans to house British soldiers, all the while not allowing us to have representation votes in Parliament.

This is what I believe.
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Not fussed. USA's independence ultimately benefitted everyone. You think about the technology that's been created from US soil, would anywhere else have managed it? Not to mention Hitler may have succeeded without US help. No reason whatsoever to dislike the independence movement.
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Hitler would never have come to power and even less started a war against all Europe without US help. Hope this helps.


Washington and company were all just rich bourgeois, exploiting dozens of Slaves. I am a Loyalist.

I still can't believe this damn Louis XVI supported the Insurgents. Catastrophic mistake leading to the French Revolution.
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Hitler would never have come to power and even less started a war against all Europe without US help. Hope this helps.


Washington and company were all just rich bourgeois, exploiting dozens of Slaves. I am a Loyalist.

I still can't believe this damn Louis XVI supported the Insurgents. Catastrophic mistake leading to the French Revolution.


you are sick dude. Do you really believe in this bullshit or is this an act ?
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Here's a better question. Who has the best claim to Serbia? Since they have lost virtually every war they have ever fought in history and been occupied by so many different powers, who do you think should rightfully have legal claim? The Turks?
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I am very sentimentality attached to Britain. If I would have lived back during that time, I would have been on the side of the British!
siding with the british = awful thing to do regardless of circumstances imo
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Not to mention Hitler may have succeeded without US help.
not likely. the soviets had done most of the work by the time the yanks came over. it was actually the soviet union the country which defeated the nazis.

there's a case of discussion as to how much the USA's influence amounted to keep the soviets eastwards in europe after the war was over. perhaps without the USA, the Soviet Union would have kept a vast part of western europe under its control.
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Here's a better question. Who has the best claim to Serbia? Since they have lost virtually every war they have ever fought in history and been occupied by so many different powers, who do you think should rightfully have legal claim? The Turks?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serboi

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it won't be the first one neither for us nor for them.
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