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Old 07-11-2012, 06:10 AM   #1
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(Again, not posting this in Roger's forum because there are followers of him that do not go there, same happens with some Rafa fans in his forum and so on)

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Comparing Roger and Tiger


In my mission to make everybody in every bar hate one another, I ask you, "Who's greater: Roger Federer or Tiger Woods?"

And don't say, "Apples and oranges." These two are oranges and oranges.

Described to Ray Charles, they'd sound like twins. They're the same height and weight. Federer has 75 tour wins. Woods has 74. Woods is six years older, but he's been a pro only two years longer.

Federer was conscripted into the Swiss army but never served. Woods craved to be a Navy SEAL, but never tried. Each is as uncrackable as an Israeli spy.
Federer married a Swiss tennis player. Woods married a Swedish nanny. Each has two kids. Each has the slickest bag of tricks his sport has ever seen. Federer has the feet of a matador. Woods has the hands of a sculptor.

Both were left for dead only last year, yet both have fought back to be the No. 1 player in the world. (Yes, yes, I know: The World Golf Ranking has Woods fourth, but only because the formula was devised by Jethro of "The Beverly Hillbillies.")

Federer, after his seventh Wimbledon win Sunday, is the greatest player in his sport's history. Woods, with the British Open coming up next week, is second-best in his, but time is on his side.

So how do you decide?

You get out your scorecard and follow along.
Majors: Federer 17, Woods 14.
All-time rank in majors: Federer No. 1, Woods No. 2.

Win percentage in majors: Federer 32, Woods 24.

Advantage -- Federer.

Then again ...
All-time rank in tour wins: Federer No. 4, Woods No. 2.

Years left to win more majors: Federer -- two or three. Woods -- 10?

Degree of difficulty in majors: Federer must go 7-0 over two weeks to win a major. He can't have a bad day. Woods can be 43rd after Thursday and first on Sunday and he's fine.
On the other hand, Woods must go 143-0. He must beat everybody in the field, even people he'll never meet. He must be better than the Trevor Immelmans and the Bob Mays, guys who suddenly are putting into holes the size of kiddie pools. Woods can't hit these guys' nasty forehand drops or blistering backhand winners the way Federer can. There's nothing he can do to stop them, short of poisoning their room-service trays. This is why 15 men have won the past 15 golf majors and four men have won the past 15 tennis majors.

Advantage -- Woods.

Weeks as No. 1: Federer has had 286 now, tying Pete Sampras. But what he has done isn't nuts in tennis. Ivan Lendl and Jimmy Connors have nearly that many. Woods spent 623 weeks at No. 1, and that's certifiable. Second place is nearly half of that -- Greg Norman's 331. So, Woods has been far greater over his rivals than Federer has.

Then again: Woods' rivals have been water soup compared with Federer's. Phil Mickelson -- four majors. Ernie Els -- three. Padraig Harrington -- three. Rory McIlroy? One. Federer's competition? Rafael Nadal -- 11. Andre Agassi -- eight. Novak Djokovic -- five.

Advantage -- Federer.

Comebacks: What Federer did by winning this Wimbledon was the equivalent of holding the flipped car up with one hand and saving the baby with the other. He'd gone 29 months without a major. They were already penciling him in on the hit-and-giggle tours. When can you play McEnroe? He was coming up on his 31st birthday. In tennis, that's the start of the Early Bird Dinner years. No man other than Agassi has won a major past his 32nd birthday in 40 years.

To make it all the way back in the greatest era in tennis history? That's breathtaking. Woods hasn't done that yet, and he lives in the So What? era of golf history. He has convinced a bunch of us he's back, but not everybody. He needs a major title to do that, and he hasn't won one in four years. Remember when Woods and Federer would text each other about who was ahead in majors? They don't anymore.

Advantage -- Federer.

Life: The question was "Who's greater?" Greatness is more than what happens on stage. Both men are great athletes, but greatness is as greatness does. Greatness is also in the way you carry it, the way you treat fans and colleagues and waiters. I've never met anybody in tennis more polite and giving and generous than Federer. He treats the woman who cleans the hotel the same as the guy who owns it. I remember once when Federer and I were escorted into a room for my 15 minutes with him. He'd just finished his match, and he was drained. There was a leather recliner and a stool. He took the stool. And nothing I could say would talk him off it.

At the same time, I've never met anybody in golf less interested in others than Woods. If Federer acts like a reluctant god, Woods acts like a hand-picked one. There's a reason that, when Woods is done with people, they tend to rat him out. The Coach. The Caddie. The Girlfriends. You get treated like a beer can somebody's kicking along the road, you want to kick back. Is it just a coincidence that the Federers are still seen socializing with Woods' ex but not with Woods himself?

Tiger Woods still has 9˝ years to rise to the place Federer is now. I hope he does.

Maybe his golf will get there, too.
Woah, this dude basically says to Tiger's face that he is a douchebag

The part in red is interesting, because that two year rank bullshit is what some players want.

And the part in green for those who are still enough to call Roger an egocentric bastard.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:06 AM   #2
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Lovely read. The part in green...
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Golf is cheap imitation of sport. Woods have nothing on Olderer.
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Roger is greater than Tiger, I already said this a few years ago
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Everytime I see any article mentioning these two sportsman together I cringe.
One is a genuine top sportsman and a gentleman, the other is a complete fake and a douche.
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How the hell has he risen back to #1, even discounting the rankings?

Roger will always be better! He won in such style, against great rivals.
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Everytime I see any article mentioning these two sportsman together I cringe.
One is a genuine top sportsman and a gentleman, the other is a complete fake and a douche.
I'm afraid you are going to have to clarify which one is which.
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Oh and the Golf Rankings are better than the ATP Rankings!
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Yes Karin, you should clarify it and draw the according picture book for some of our little pals like guga2120 or munZe konZa
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Apples and Oranges here people.

You can't compare tennis and golf. I wouldn't give Federer the advantage in 32% of tennis majors won to 24% in golf either. That is a statistic in golf that will not be broken if Tiger stopped playing today, Federer's 32% is not as great.

Look at the recent golf majors. Much more often than not the major winner is someone outside of the top 10 and not considered a "great". The average major in golf is won by an average player who gets lucky. Golf is much more luck than Tennis.

Tennis is the polar opposite where the top players DOMINATE the majors.

If I had to choose Federer wins this debate, as Tiger Woods has completely shit all over himself since he has been "exposed" as the person he is. However, all hope is not lost, and this is a debate that isn't as clear cut as some here make it out to be.

Then again, this is a tennis forum.

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plus, golf isn't a sport; it's just a game
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This reporter has no clue of the present day relationship btw Roger and Tiger. There are too many assumptions in this article stating Fed and Tiger have no contact with each other...which is clearly wrong! Federer himself stated in interviews that Tiger was sending messages of support during Wimbledon. If that's the case that means they're on good terms and talking to each other privately. I hate reporter's talking out their ass...

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Their greatness in their sport will mainly be measured in their results, not in some perception of how nice they are. Neither can be totally normal people given the abnormal lives they lead and the total focus on the sport they need to have.

Sports wise Tiger wins hands down -- golf is MUCH harder to dominate than tennis. Tennis you need to win 7 matches to win a slam and for the top guys these days in a best of 5 there are only a few players who can beat them. In golf there are far more variables, far more contenders and to have a high win % is very difficult. You can be consistent, e.g., always finish in top 5 or top 10 but to always win isn't that controllable - look at Luke Donald who's been no.1 for the 4th/5th longest time in golf history and never won a major - winning a major has some luck involved, beyond your talent, that isn't true with tennis.

Tiger's time at the top of golf, his domination of the field (which was a strong field! Mickleson, Els, Singh etc.) was unheard of - he had no rival when at his best. I've no doubt Tiger isn't the nicest person but his impact on the world of sport has been far far greater than Federer's. Look how quickly Nadal's got to 11 slams - let's see how long before another golfer gets to 14 like Tiger has...
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Why do people still try and compare golf and tennis? Outside of the fact they're individual sports they're nothing alike.
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