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Old 07-10-2012, 10:08 PM   #61
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So why is Lopez there ?
He is the defending champion and they probably asked him back. Maybe he likes Colombia and would rather be in a Latino city than any of the other 4 less than exciting venues.

Anyway, it is his business.

Lopez should be congratulated for bringing some big-name glamour to a small tournament and probably bringing in the fans.

It is beyond ridiculous to recognize that rankings depend on accumulating points and then criticize players for accumulating points.
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Lopez should be congratulated for bringing some big-name glamour to a small tournament and probably bringing in the fans.
That's right. It's a double edged sword.
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Watch him win Bastaad against a Challenger level field this week again to keep securing his inflated ranking
I'm pretty sure he's already maxed out his 250s, so winning would do nothing to secure his ranking. Anything to hate on the guy
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so now certain folks are claiming certain players are 'point vultures' for trying to be as sensible as possible and choose the tournaments they enter for reasons as of being able to score some nice bunch of points & cash?
Can't see anything wrong with that.

Ferrer, for instance, has been a very clever guy for choosing to play Rosmalen where he has a good chance of winning it, along with getting some nice number of practice matches on grass, whereas in either Queens or Halle his chances of getting ousted by a grass-court specialist would have been much higher. Ask Nadal for instance...

If a tournament wants to pay for a (sub-) top player to appear at their MM, and the player thinks it's a sensible idea to indeed go there, I cannot see anything wrong with that.
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We can't all be like Haas beating Berdych, Kohlscreiber and Federer just to win a 250.
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I think that just shows that it often is not even worth bothering playing such low events for a top player because the motivation will not be there
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I recall Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo solidifying his place in the top 100 in 2010 after winning just one main draw ATP 250 match.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/P...=2010&m=s&e=0#

He's up to his old tricks this year too. Fair play to him.
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Truer words had never been spoken. You're one of my favorite posters here already

Watch him win Bastaad against a Challenger level field this week again to keep securing his inflated ranking
Classic Ferrer. For me the world number 5 needs to be a danger to the big players, not a walk over. The world number 5 also needs to be considered as a potential grand-slam winner. That's why for me Ferrer is the 'fake' number five, and should be ranked behind guys like Del-Potro,Tsonga,Berdych etc. Ferrer's legacy is built on beating weaker players (due to consistency) and at times obstructed younger players from developing, rather than winning major titles and taking his career to the next level. Actually he knows he cannot take his career to the next level, because he does not have the tools to do so. His so called 'great' slam results involve him beating no-one of note, apart from delpo and Murray on their worst surfaces. This flies under the radar, but Ferrer often gets easy draws all over the place.

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Monaco and Granollers are typical vultures as well. A bit of a running trend with the hispanic grinders. The lack of talent within their game forces them to play like walls, therefore they cannot play against the big boys and can only compete in lower league tourneys. The baseline pushing is a massive hindrance to these players if they want to achieve big things in tennis. They have the fight but not the skill.
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I'm pretty sure he's already maxed out his 250s, so winning would do nothing to secure his ranking. Anything to hate on the guy
Won't stop him from avoiding the atps finest. What annoys me just as much, is that most call him a fighter because he grinds and cannot put the ball out of his opponents reach, when in reality he's a choker.

Albert Ramos is another one I've caught. look at him vs Federer, he was like a fish out of water and got absolutely man handled. Good riddance, i love seeing vultures paying their dues.
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so now certain folks are claiming certain players are 'point vultures' for trying to be as sensible as possible and choose the tournaments they enter for reasons as of being able to score some nice bunch of points & cash?
Can't see anything wrong with that.

Ferrer, for instance, has been a very clever guy for choosing to play Rosmalen where he has a good chance of winning it, along with getting some nice number of practice matches on grass, whereas in either Queens or Halle his chances of getting ousted by a grass-court specialist would have been much higher. Ask Nadal for instance...

If a tournament wants to pay for a (sub-) top player to appear at their MM, and the player thinks it's a sensible idea to indeed go there, I cannot see anything wrong with that.
I think it is an age thing. Young people today have such distorted values they can even find fault with players doing what they are supposed to do. Or in MTF, they more probably think the players should have some higher purpose so that they can satisfy the need for idol worship. That's nonsense. To the players it is a job - and who doesn't want the highest salary available? How many people complaining here would say at work 'No, I don't want a Year End bonus, give it to someone else?"
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Ferrer's legacy is built on beating weaker players (due to consistency) and at times obstructed younger players from developing, rather than winning major titles and taking his career to the next level. Actually he knows he cannot take his career to the next level, because he does not have the tools to do so. His so called 'great' slam results involve him beating no-one of note, apart from delpo and Murray on their worst surfaces. This flies under the radar, but Ferrer often gets easy draws all over the place.

I cant stand him
Little wonder GM is not really for me. Too much nonsense. By your brilliant analysis, if anyone has a legacy built on beating weaker players it is Federer. For years, that is all he did.
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I think it is an age thing. Young people today have such distorted values they can even find fault with players doing what they are supposed to do. Or in MTF, they more probably think the players should have some higher purpose so that they can satisfy the need for idol worship. That's nonsense. To the players it is a job - and who doesn't want the highest salary available? How many people complaining here would say at work 'No, I don't want a Year End bonus, give it to someone else?"
I think you may well be spot-on, indeed.
It's a 'free market'-culture, whether you like it or not.
(in fact: I don't, but that's my personal opinion )

I myself find a sub-top player's decision to play a challenger rather than to chose playing a higher-ranked tournament with his chances to bolt out in the first round, a lot more sensible, but perhaps it's just me.

It's a Vulture's World, nowadays, folks.
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The world number 5 also needs to be considered as a potential grand-slam winner. That's why for me Ferrer is the 'fake' number five, and should be ranked behind guys like Del-Potro,Tsonga,Berdych etc. :
Just to demonstrate how little you know, here is Ferrer's record against the next seven players in the rankings.

Tsonga 1-1
Tipsarevic 2-1
Berdych 5-3
Del Potro 5-2
Almagro 10-0
Isner 3-1
Simon 4-1


Now, on what would you justify your statement that Ferrer should be ranked behind guys he beats? Seems this shows clearly that it is not the easy points he collected that took him to number 5 in the world, but a WINNING RECORD against everybody below him. Sounds like the ranking system works just fine and in reality you are the fake.

If the guys you mention are going to win slams, they would first have to get past Ferrer. So far, they haven't. On ranking points and W-L record, Ferrer is rock solid at #5, totally deserving of his position by any yardstick - other than ''oh, but I don't like him''.
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I think you may well be spot-on, indeed.
It's a 'free market'-culture, whether you like it or not.
(in fact: I don't, but that's my personal opinion )

I myself find a sub-top player's decision to play a challenger rather than to chose playing a higher-ranked tournament with his chances to bolt out in the first round, a lot more sensible, but perhaps it's just me.

It's a Vulture's World, nowadays, folks.
I see Lopez was a wild card in Bogota. I suspect they pleaded with him to come and add a ''name'' to the draw.


And anyway, as you can see from the post above about Ferrer, some innocent fanboys write about how undeserving he is of his ranking, without even stopping to look at his record against lesser-ranked players.
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