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Old 10-29-2012, 09:52 AM   #661
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The protected ranking is not part of the official rankings, it's also called the "entry protection" because the only purpose of that is to enter tournaments which you couldn't enter with your actual ranking because it's too low.

In Nadal's case I don't think he will need any entry protection. His real ranking is easily "protected" until Roland-Garros and then I would be incredibly surprised if he left out of the top-50 then had problems to enter MS1000 tournaments.
Thanks for your response Mr. Duong. Yes, I understand it is for entry purposes as I stated. But regardless, doesn't he have to apply for it within 6 months of his last tournament if he needs to get it? In other words, can he afford not to apply? Suppose as he is training hard in early January to come back he re-injures his knee and would be out another 6 months. Then all his 2012 points would be gone and he would have 0 points. I think it would be foolish not to apply.

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Seems Istomin got a 0-point penalty for Basel. That's the first of the corrections I'm currently making. ATP are looking into the Isner-has-more-tournaments-than-the-breakdown problem.

Collarini was not auto-inserted into Buenos Aires CH because his changeover-to-Argentina became official this week.
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Seems Istomin got a 0-point penalty for Basel.
Really ??

I haven't checked ATP website since last night and can't do it at my work now, but doesn't he have 907 points now on the ATP website ?
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Yes, he does. Basel's 0-pointer got one of his 20-pointer tournaments out.
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Thanks for your response Mr. Duong. Yes, I understand it is for entry purposes as I stated. But regardless, doesn't he have to apply for it within 6 months of his last tournament if he needs to get it? In other words, can he afford not to apply? Suppose as he is training hard in early January to come back he re-injures his knee and would be out another 6 months. Then all his 2012 points would be gone and he would have 0 points. I think it would be foolish not to apply.

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doesn't he have to apply for it within 6 months of his last tournament if he needs to get it? yes

can he afford not to apply? he can imo, but he can apply if he wants higher protection which I don't think would be useful. Besides, Nadal would have all of the wild-cards he wants.

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Suppose as he is training hard in early January to come back he re-injures his knee and would be out another 6 months. Then all his 2012 points would be gone and he would have 0 points.
if he comes back, plays one tournament and re-injures for 6 months, he could apply after this tournament for an entry protection which would still be as high as if he applies now, as anyway Nadal's ranking will be on top until Roland-Garros for sure.
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Seems Istomin got a 0-point penalty for Basel. That's the first of the corrections I'm currently making. ATP are looking into the Isner-has-more-tournaments-than-the-breakdown problem.

Collarini was not auto-inserted into Buenos Aires CH because his changeover-to-Argentina became official this week.
Maybe Isner took one from Kohlschreiber. Philipp has a tournament count of 27, but if I'm counting correctly, he has 28 tournaments in his ranking breakdown list.

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Yes, he does. Basel's 0-pointer got one of his 20-pointer tournaments out.
he has 887 points then ? they have changed it since last night then.

They also had made a mistake about Chela I had seen ; they had written a zeropointer in Valencia for the 31st of october instead of the 22nd of october.
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Maybe Isner took one from Kohlschreiber. Philipp has a tournament count of 27, but if I'm counting correctly, he has 28 tournaments in his ranking breakdown list.

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He has 26 there.

Grand Slams
Date Tournament Round Points Drop Date
1. 27.08.2012 US Open R32 90 09.09.2013
2. 16.01.2012 Australian Open R32 90 28.01.2013
3. 27.05.2012 Roland Garros R64 45 10.06.2013
4. 25.06.2012 Wimbledon R128 10 08.07.2013
ATP World Tour Masters 1000
Date Tournament Round Points Drop Date
5. 08.03.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells F 600 18.03.2013
6. 06.08.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada S 360 12.08.2013
7. 07.11.2011 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Paris S 360 05.11.2012
8. 07.10.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Shanghai R16 90 14.10.2013
9. 13.05.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome R32 45 20.05.2013
10. 21.03.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami R32 45 01.04.2013
11. 06.05.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid R32 10 13.05.2013
12. 12.08.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati - 0 19.08.2013
13. 15.04.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo - 0 22.04.2013
ATP World Tour 500
Date Tournament Round Points Drop Date
14. 14.09.2012 Davis Cup - 170
15. 01.10.2012 Beijing - 0 07.10.2013
Best of Other Countable Tournaments
Date Tournament Round Points Drop Date
16. 19.08.2012 Winston-Salem W 250 26.08.2013
17. 09.07.2012 Newport W 250 15.07.2013
18. 09.04.2012 Houston F 150 15.04.2013
Non-Countable Tournaments
Date Tournament Round Points Drop Date
19. 25.07.2012 London Olympics Q 135 05.08.2013
20. 16.07.2012 Atlanta S 90 22.07.2013
21. 27.02.2012 Delray Beach S 90 04.03.2013
22. 20.02.2012 Memphis Q 90 25.02.2013
23. 21.10.2012 Valencia R16 45 28.10.2013
24. 20.05.2012 Nice Q 45 27.05.2013
25. 09.01.2012 Sydney R16 0 14.01.2013
26. 31.10.2011 Valencia R32 0 05.11.2012

Update to the current rankings is now complete. Sorry for the problems that were caused.
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he has 887 points then ? they have changed it since last night then.

They also had made a mistake about Chela I had seen ; they had written a zeropointer in Valencia for the 31st of october instead of the 22nd of october.
No. He has 907 points. He had 927 points last Monday. Minus 20 this week -> 907. There is no mistake here, although I do agree about them making mistakes. Seems correct for Chela now.
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Besides, Nadal would have all of the wild-cards he wants.
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So basically, Murray now has theoretical chance to be # 2 in the end of the year ?

If he wins Paris, gap between him and Fed in the race is only 955 points, right ? If he also wins all matches in London( it is a bif IF, I know ...) , he gets another 1500. If Federer wins 2 matches in group and loses in SF, he gets only 400 from WTF.

So, 100% succesful Murray may have 10 010 points after WTF.
Fed, if he wins only 2 matches in group, gets 9865 points.

I know, this is kinda long shot though ...
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No. He has 907 points. He had 927 points last Monday. Minus 20 this week -> 907. There is no mistake here, although I do agree about them making mistakes. Seems correct for Chela now.
yes, yes, actually I had already counted this zeropointer for Istomin that's why I already had him at 907 despite not remembering I had already counted it, and probably despite not telling you I had done it.

The reason why I had guessed he would get this zeropointer is that he had withdrawn from Basel while still playing Moscow.
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So basically, Murray now has theoretical chance to be # 2 in the end of the year ?

If he wins Paris, gap between him and Fed in the race is only 955 points, right ? If he also wins all matches in London( it is a bif IF, I know ...) , he gets another 1500. If Federer wins 2 matches in group and loses in SF, he gets only 400 from WTF.

So, 100% succesful Murray may have 10 010 points after WTF.
Fed, if he wins only 2 matches in group, gets 9865 points.

I know, this is kinda long shot though ...
all this is true.

Anyway Murray will finish at the highest rank he has ever finished a year, whether it's number 3 or number 2.
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He has 26 there.

Grand Slams
Date Tournament Round Points Drop Date
1. 27.08.2012 US Open R32 90 09.09.2013
2. 16.01.2012 Australian Open R32 90 28.01.2013
3. 27.05.2012 Roland Garros R64 45 10.06.2013
4. 25.06.2012 Wimbledon R128 10 08.07.2013
ATP World Tour Masters 1000
Date Tournament Round Points Drop Date
5. 08.03.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Well F 600 18.03.2013
6. 06.08.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada S 360 12.08.2013
7. 07.11.2011 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Paris S 360 05.11.2012
8. 07.10.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Shanghai R16 90 14.10.2013
9. 13.05.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome R32 45 20.05.2013
10. 21.03.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami R32 45 01.04.2013
11. 06.05.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid R32 10 13.05.2013
12. 12.08.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati - 0 19.08.2013
13. 15.04.2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo - 0 22.04.2013
ATP World Tour 500
Date Tournament Round Points Drop Date
14. 14.09.2012 Davis Cup - 170
15. 01.10.2012 Beijing - 0 07.10.2013
Best of Other Countable Tournaments
Date Tournament Round Points Drop Date
16. 19.08.2012 Winston-Salem W 250 26.08.2013
17. 09.07.2012 Newport W 250 15.07.2013
18. 09.04.2012 Houston F 150 15.04.2013
Non-Countable Tournaments
Date Tournament Round Points Drop Date
19. 25.07.2012 London Olympics Q 135 05.08.2013
20. 16.07.2012 Atlanta S 90 22.07.2013
21. 27.02.2012 Delray Beach S 90 04.03.2013
22. 20.02.2012 Memphis Q 90 25.02.2013
23. 21.10.2012 Valencia R16 45 28.10.2013
24. 20.05.2012 Nice Q 45 27.05.2013
25. 09.01.2012 Sydney R16 0 14.01.2013
26. 31.10.2011 Valencia R32 0 05.11.2012

Update to the current rankings is now complete. Sorry for the problems that were caused.
Hmm, Mr. Slasher, maybe we are looking at two different rankings breakdown lists?
I'm looking at Kohlschreiber's singles ATP ranking list (52 weeks) listed below.
Sorry for the confusion.

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Grand Slams
Date 	        Tournament 	Round 	Points 	Drop Date
25.06.2012 	Wimbledon 	Q 	360 	08.07.2013
27.08.2012 	US Open 	R16 	180 	09.09.2013
16.01.2012 	Australian Open R16 	180 	28.01.2013
27.05.2012 	Roland Garros 	R64 	45 	10.06.2013
ATP World Tour Masters 1000
Date 	        Tournament 	                        Round 	Points 	Drop Date
06.08.2012 	ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada 	R16 	90 	12.08.2013
07.11.2011 	ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Paris 	R32 	70 	05.11.2012
07.10.2012 	ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Shanghai 	R32 	45 	14.10.2013
21.03.2012 	ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami 	R32 	45 	01.04.2013
08.03.2012 	ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Well	R64 	25 	18.03.2013
12.08.2012 	ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati 	R64 	10 	19.08.2013
13.05.2012 	ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome 	R64 	10 	20.05.2013
06.05.2012 	ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid 	R64 	10 	13.05.2013
ATP World Tour 500
Date 	        Tournament 	Round 	Points 	Drop Date
16.07.2012 	Hamburg 	Q 	90 	22.07.2013
Best of Other Countable Tournaments
Date 	        Tournament 	Round 	Points 	Drop Date
30.04.2012 	Munich 	        W 	250 	06.05.2013
22.07.2012 	Kitzbühel 	F 	150 	29.07.2013
11.06.2012 	Halle 	        S 	90 	17.06.2013
30.01.2012 	Montpellier 	S 	90 	04.02.2013
09.01.2012 	Auckland 	S 	90 	14.01.2013
Non-Countable Tournaments
Date 	        Tournament 	                        Round 	Points 	Drop Date
20.05.2012 	World Team Championship 	        RR 	70 	27.05.2013
17.09.2012 	Metz 	                                Q 	45 	23.09.2013
18.06.2012 	Eastbourne 	                        Q 	45 	24.06.2013
15.04.2012 	ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo R32 	45 	22.04.2013
27.02.2012 	Delray Beach 	                        Q 	45 	04.03.2013
13.02.2012 	Rotterdam 	                        R16 	45 	18.02.2013
21.10.2012 	Valencia 	                        R32 	0 	28.10.2013
24.09.2012 	Orleans CH 	                        R32 	0 	30.09.2013
02.01.2012 	Doha 	                                R32 	0 	07.01.2013
05.11.2011 	ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Paris Q 	- 	0 	05.11.2012
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just look a few pages back : it was not about the commitment and the number of ATP500 tournaments played, but in principle there are rules about the way you can withdraw from an ATP500 tournament, whether you're a commitment player or not.

Well these rules seem not to be often enforced by the ATP but in Murray's case I thought the case would cost him a zeropointer and told Slasher because he asked me to tell him about such cases a few weeks ago (I had guessed well other cases in the past like Isner's zeropointer in Monte-Carlo).

In the end no Murray escaped the zeropointer.
I do not believe this is so, because someone I trust in these matters, Yolita, has said what I said in my previous post.
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