Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus. - MensTennisForums.com

MensTennisForums.com

MenstennisForums.com is the premier Men's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!

Reply

Old 06-21-2012, 01:48 PM   #1
country flag Filo V.
Banned!
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Sleeping in the house of my latest jumpoff.
Posts: 34,908
Filo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond repute
Default Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

I went to sleep thinking about this and for me, it totally works. Results-wise, game-wise, athletically/physically. Chris was known as the bagel boy of the ATP tour but he also had occasional runs where he would beat great players and had some big results, mixed in with tons of R1 losses. On court, Chris was mopey often, complained a lot, and often times effectively quit once falling behind in a match (fixing has some to do with that).

IMO, Chris Rochus had more consistent pop and was a smarter, slicker player than Don is, but their overall games and ability level are basically equal. I also think, as it stands now, that's the type of career Donald will have unless he improves in his mid/late 20s. What do you all think?
Filo V. is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 06-21-2012, 01:56 PM   #2
country flag CooCooCachoo
MONSOON season.
 
CooCooCachoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Upstate New York
Age: 29
Posts: 73,139
CooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Their ability levels are equal? Young is by far the more talented player, but also a bigger headcase. Rochus, in my opinion, lacked passion and often didn't care. He always looked like he hated being a tennis player, and I am surprised he didn't retire a few years earlier than he did.
__________________
BEMELMANS | CHARDY | CHIUDINELLI
CIPOLLA| ROGER-VASSELIN | MCGEE




Bachinger|Brands|Broady|Clezar|Crivoi|Crugnola|Cue vas|Eysseric|Giannessi|Gombos|Granollers
Grigelis|Huta Galung|Ilhan|Korolev|Kudla|Al. Kuznetsov|Lammer|Mannarino
Menendez|Naso|Paire|Peliwo|Polansky|Robert|Smyczek |J. Sousa|Sweeting

CooCooCachoo is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 01:57 PM   #3
country flag CooCooCachoo
MONSOON season.
 
CooCooCachoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Upstate New York
Age: 29
Posts: 73,139
CooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond reputeCooCooCachoo has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Oh and Young is best on fast surfaces; Rochus on clay. Really not many similarities in their games either.
__________________
BEMELMANS | CHARDY | CHIUDINELLI
CIPOLLA| ROGER-VASSELIN | MCGEE




Bachinger|Brands|Broady|Clezar|Crivoi|Crugnola|Cue vas|Eysseric|Giannessi|Gombos|Granollers
Grigelis|Huta Galung|Ilhan|Korolev|Kudla|Al. Kuznetsov|Lammer|Mannarino
Menendez|Naso|Paire|Peliwo|Polansky|Robert|Smyczek |J. Sousa|Sweeting

CooCooCachoo is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 02:05 PM   #4
country flag Chris Kuerten
Banned!
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Age: 24
Posts: 11,445
Chris Kuerten has a reputation beyond reputeChris Kuerten has a reputation beyond reputeChris Kuerten has a reputation beyond reputeChris Kuerten has a reputation beyond reputeChris Kuerten has a reputation beyond reputeChris Kuerten has a reputation beyond reputeChris Kuerten has a reputation beyond reputeChris Kuerten has a reputation beyond reputeChris Kuerten has a reputation beyond reputeChris Kuerten has a reputation beyond reputeChris Kuerten has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I went to sleep thinking about this
I don't have anything relevant to contribute, but this made me laugh out loud.
Chris Kuerten is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 02:06 PM   #5
country flag Wing Man Frank
Banned!
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,681
Wing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Rochus' defeat of Djokovic must have been his highlight? What a ridiculous match that was.
Wing Man Frank is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 02:08 PM   #6
country flag Filo V.
Banned!
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Sleeping in the house of my latest jumpoff.
Posts: 34,908
Filo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martijn. View Post
Their ability levels are equal? Young is by far the more talented player, but also a bigger headcase. Rochus, in my opinion, lacked passion and often didn't care. He always looked like he hated being a tennis player, and I am surprised he didn't retire a few years earlier than he did.
I agree about Rochus' lack of passion or dedication, I think Donald has a bit more talent, but I don't think he's a significantly better player than Rochus was, at his peak he may be, but he rarely plays at that level. They have very similar traits. The fact Rochus was more of a claycourter is true, that's a big difference between the two.

Both guys are/were short counterpunchers without a big weapon and good serve. Both are decent but not overwhelmingly great movers. And they both have attitude problems.
Filo V. is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 02:09 PM   #7
country flag Filo V.
Banned!
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Sleeping in the house of my latest jumpoff.
Posts: 34,908
Filo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustavo Kuerten View Post
I don't have anything relevant to contribute, but this made me laugh out loud.
I was looking at Donald's record this season on the ATP website and thought of Rochus because of his losing streak
Filo V. is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 02:10 PM   #8
country flag Castafiore
Registered User
 
Castafiore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 19,437
Castafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond reputeCastafiore has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Quote:
Rochus' defeat of Djokovic must have been his highlight? What a ridiculous match that was
That's Olivier, though. Christophe never played against Novak.
Castafiore is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 03:36 PM   #9
country flag emotion
Racquet smash enthusiast
 
emotion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Virginia
Age: 19
Posts: 39,028
emotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

I'm inclined to say Christophe overachieved despite how often he gave up, Young (and Olivier) underachieved
__________________


Matosevic, Dolgopolov, Hanescu, Kukushkin, Chiudinelli, Gulbis, Rosol, Bozoljac, Gabashvili, Hernych, Starace, Stakhovsky, Brown, Garcia-Lopez, Zeballos, Herbert, Istomin, Kohlschreiber, Tursunov, Robert, Monaco, Gonzalez, Thiem
emotion is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 04:25 PM   #10
country flag philosophicalarf
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 10,453
philosophicalarf has a reputation beyond reputephilosophicalarf has a reputation beyond reputephilosophicalarf has a reputation beyond reputephilosophicalarf has a reputation beyond reputephilosophicalarf has a reputation beyond reputephilosophicalarf has a reputation beyond reputephilosophicalarf has a reputation beyond reputephilosophicalarf has a reputation beyond reputephilosophicalarf has a reputation beyond reputephilosophicalarf has a reputation beyond reputephilosophicalarf has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Quote:
Originally Posted by djokovicgonzalez View Post
I'm inclined to say Christophe overachieved despite how often he gave up, Young (and Olivier) underachieved
Olivier really is tiny though, most wta players are bigger. Serena could eat two of him for breakfast and still feel peckish.

Still won two titles though, as well as making a pile more finals - made finals on all surfaces also, 3 hard, 2 clay, 3 indoor, 2 grass.

Given that he's so easily overpowered, and a hopeless returner against any pace because of his size (he eats more aces than anyone else, see 21 vs Sijsling in two sets), he's done pretty well imo.
philosophicalarf is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 10:27 PM   #11
country flag Henry Chinaski
Registered User
 
Henry Chinaski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,752
Henry Chinaski has a reputation beyond reputeHenry Chinaski has a reputation beyond reputeHenry Chinaski has a reputation beyond reputeHenry Chinaski has a reputation beyond reputeHenry Chinaski has a reputation beyond reputeHenry Chinaski has a reputation beyond reputeHenry Chinaski has a reputation beyond reputeHenry Chinaski has a reputation beyond reputeHenry Chinaski has a reputation beyond reputeHenry Chinaski has a reputation beyond reputeHenry Chinaski has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

this ^^^

olivier rochus making it on tour at all is a miracle of sorts.

even his official height of 1.68m is generous to say the least.

as for the topic, I agree there are some similarites. both rely on variety and angles because of a relative lack of power.

pretty sure young is a lot smaller than his official 1.83m as well, though still quite a bit bigger than christophe.

c. rochus seems to be one of the most unpopular players ever, partly because of his match fixing and propensity for bagels but he had a really nice game when on. watching him out-santoro santoro in the frenchman's final roland garros was glorious.
__________________
www.shanktennis.com
Henry Chinaski is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 10:39 PM   #12
country flag emotion
Racquet smash enthusiast
 
emotion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Virginia
Age: 19
Posts: 39,028
emotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Rochus' height is an issue it's true, but he kinda figured out how to get around it. Look at how many times he's choked away huge wins, or how close he can play anyone when on (choked to jesusfed on grass) and you'll see he shouldve done more.
__________________


Matosevic, Dolgopolov, Hanescu, Kukushkin, Chiudinelli, Gulbis, Rosol, Bozoljac, Gabashvili, Hernych, Starace, Stakhovsky, Brown, Garcia-Lopez, Zeballos, Herbert, Istomin, Kohlschreiber, Tursunov, Robert, Monaco, Gonzalez, Thiem
emotion is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 10:51 PM   #13
country flag Smoke944
Registered User
 
Smoke944's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 12,435
Smoke944 has a reputation beyond reputeSmoke944 has a reputation beyond reputeSmoke944 has a reputation beyond reputeSmoke944 has a reputation beyond reputeSmoke944 has a reputation beyond reputeSmoke944 has a reputation beyond reputeSmoke944 has a reputation beyond reputeSmoke944 has a reputation beyond reputeSmoke944 has a reputation beyond reputeSmoke944 has a reputation beyond reputeSmoke944 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Quote:
Originally Posted by djokovicgonzalez View Post
Rochus' height is an issue it's true, but he kinda figured out how to get around it. Look at how many times he's choked away huge wins, or how close he can play anyone when on (choked to jesusfed on grass) and you'll see he shouldve done more.
This is an oversimplification because it operates on the incorrect assumption that Olivier failing to serve out a set or match = choking. With a serve as weak and attackable as his, there's not a whole lot he can do if you play a great return game. He simply has no way to dictate and end points on his own terms. So you are probably greatly overestimating how many matches he has truly "choked".
Smoke944 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 10:56 PM   #14
country flag emotion
Racquet smash enthusiast
 
emotion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Virginia
Age: 19
Posts: 39,028
emotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond reputeemotion has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

I mean, not really. He had MP on Both serve and return vs Federer, 2-1 set lead vs Djokovic

he gets tight vs big players always. I remember the torture of watching him beat Djokovic on the scoreboard where he should have won about 45 times before he did. He fights really hard, but is a terrible pressure player (Almagro, Ferrer)
__________________


Matosevic, Dolgopolov, Hanescu, Kukushkin, Chiudinelli, Gulbis, Rosol, Bozoljac, Gabashvili, Hernych, Starace, Stakhovsky, Brown, Garcia-Lopez, Zeballos, Herbert, Istomin, Kohlschreiber, Tursunov, Robert, Monaco, Gonzalez, Thiem
emotion is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 11:12 PM   #15
country flag Backhand_Maestro
Registered User
 
Backhand_Maestro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Murray Convert
Age: 26
Posts: 581
Backhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond reputeBackhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond reputeBackhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond reputeBackhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond reputeBackhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond reputeBackhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond reputeBackhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond reputeBackhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond reputeBackhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond reputeBackhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond reputeBackhand_Maestro has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Quote:
Originally Posted by djokovicgonzalez View Post
I'm inclined to say Christophe overachieved despite how often he gave up, Young (and Olivier) underachieved
Young's 22, Rochus retired . .
__________________
Bjorn Borg:

French Open W (1974, 1975, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981)

Wimbledon W (1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980)

3 Channel Slams; 4 Consecutive RG; 5 Consecutive SW19

GOAT
Backhand_Maestro is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios