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Old 06-15-2012, 06:23 PM   #31
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Great win for Fed, losing a set in a breaker is irrelevent in my opinion given that he never faced a break point and made only 12 unforced errors.
Most impressive stat, IMO, considering all the "Federror" comments yesterday.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:24 PM   #32
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Default Re: Halle QF: Federer def. Raonic 6-7 6-4 7-6

I think they both played just fine, but Fed was just too good in few crucial moments and held high level of his serve throughout the match. Well done Rogi.
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Federer won 83% of points in his second serve, that's all you need to know.

Milos needs to work on his return and ground game, serve isn't enough to be a top player. He's not Karlovic, but his ground game and return aren't at the required level for a top player yet.
Exactly. He is not even that young, should be doing better now if he is going to become a top 5 player.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:27 PM   #34
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Milos didn't have his A forehand going today which he really needs against the top players. Alot of those 2nd serves were right in Milos' wheelhouse, and he kept missing them.
His forehand is only accurate when he has time to prepare it imo. On such a fast surface, he's too serve dependent as he doesn't have the time to prepare his groundstrokes.

Even against Federer, winning only 17% of points on his second serve is too poor. It didn't make any difference whether Federer put the first or second serve...

I hope Milos improves his groundgame and return soon. He will definitely be beating Federer if he does; Federer can't get a read on his serve, it seems. But it's no use since Milos can't do anything on return so far.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:29 PM   #35
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Exactly. He is not even that young, should be doing better now if he is going to become a top 5 player.
He still has time. Players have been peaking later and later as the game becomes more physical and big servers/big hitters usually take longer to peak anyway.

That serve is a pretty solid base for Milos to build his game upon.
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He still has time. Players have been peaking later and later as the game becomes more physical and big servers/big hitters usually take longer to peak anyway.

That serve is a pretty solid base for Milos to build his game upon.
He definitely still has time, I just think he is older than some make out and could be doing better.
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His forehand is only accurate when he has time to prepare it imo. On such a fast surface, he's too serve dependent as he doesn't have the time to prepare his groundstrokes.

Even against Federer, winning only 17% of points on his second serve is too poor. It didn't make any difference whether Federer put the first or second serve...

I hope Milos improves his groundgame and return soon. He will definitely be beating Federer if he does; Federer can't get a read on his serve, it seems. But it's no use since Milos can't do anything on return so far.
I would argue alot of those 2nd serve return misses that Milos was set and had time, he was just missing them. But I do agree, he needs time for his groundstrokes at the moment, and he will need to improve on this. This is even more severe on his backhand. Improving this will not only improve his play in rally's, but improve his return. His groundies are also WAAAYYY better today than they were a year ago, so it is clearly an area where he is putting in alot of work. More matches against the top players will also help, as his groundies are more than good enough against weaker players.
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I would argue alot of those 2nd serve return misses that Milos was set and had time, he was just missing them. But I do agree, he needs time for his groundstrokes at the moment, and he will need to improve on this. This is even more severe on his backhand. Improving this will not only improve his play in rally's, but improve his return. His groundies are also WAAAYYY better today than they were a year ago, so it is clearly an area where he is putting in alot of work. More matches against the top players will also help, as his groundies are more than good enough against weaker players.
True. His level of play is already top 10-worthy imo and his ranking should reflect that in the next 12 months max.

But he needs to keep improving his strokes and return to be a legitimate contender for big titles. A tremendous first serve isn't enough against the best players in the world, especially on slow surfaces. I believe he will get there
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He definitely still has time, I just think he is older than some make out and could be doing better.
The hip injury last year didn't help and set him back at least 6 months.
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Milos Just a weapon, your serve, and it wasn't useful enough



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the 4th fed - nad on grass will have to wait until wimby semis...
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One of the best matches Federer has played this year. Absolutely superb performance from the Swiss Maestro.
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Default Re: Halle QF: Federer def. Raonic 6-7 6-4 7-6

Fed has a shot at wimby just he has to avoid big servers. His return is kindly said awful, even Roddick looks like danger for him at moment. Has better shot of beating Nole and Rafa than Berdych or Tsonga in QF.
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