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Old 06-26-2012, 09:34 PM   #61
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he's made himself really popular I see from twitter by saying that the women don't deserve equal prize money
Do u mean popular or unpopular? I guess depends on who you ask .

Based on this itw, he didn't say they don't deserve equal prize money though, he said tennis is the only sport that has equal prize money but men spent much more time on court, and men tennis is more attractive than women ...I agreed with him, except such non PC opinion he should keep to himself .

Here's the part of the presser:

Etes-vous vraiment défavorable aux tournois mixtes ?
Le tennis masculin est actuellement en avance par rapport au tennis féminin. A Roland-Garros, les joueurs ont encore passé beaucoup plus de temps sur le court que les femmes. Nous sommes le seul sport actuellement où il y ait une parité des prix entre les hommes et les femmes, alors que cela reste un spectacle et que le tennis masculin est plus attrayant que le tennis féminin.

Ne risquez-vous pas de vous attirer les foudres des associations féministes avec ce discours ?
Je m’en moque ! Quand les tournois deviennent des évènements combinés, c’est surtout pour sauver la semaine des filles. Quand à Rome, il y a 20 spectateurs pour assister à la finale dames et que l’année suivante, je ne peux pas m’entraîner sur le site une seule fois, parce que nous sommes trop nombreux, j’ai forcément les boules (sic). Et je pense que c’est légitime.

The whole itw is here:
http://www.sport24.com/tennis/wimble...guliere-565444
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I love it! Gilles is right on the money with that. It's become so PC to not want to offend anybody these days at the expense of the truth, but Gilles doesn't care and he tells it like it is. Another thing about him that I view as a quality and not a blemish. I'd say Gilles has some set of balls on him to stand up and say that, but I think we all already know that if you catch my drift , but it's nice to see that he has a mental set as well.
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Do u mean popular or unpopular? I guess depends on who you ask .

Based on this itw, he didn't say they don't deserve equal prize money though, he said tennis is the only sport that has equal prize money but men spent much more time on court, and men tennis is more attractive than women ...I agreed with him, except such non PC opinion he should keep to himself .

Here's the part of the presser:

Etes-vous vraiment défavorable aux tournois mixtes ?
Le tennis masculin est actuellement en avance par rapport au tennis féminin. A Roland-Garros, les joueurs ont encore passé beaucoup plus de temps sur le court que les femmes. Nous sommes le seul sport actuellement où il y ait une parité des prix entre les hommes et les femmes, alors que cela reste un spectacle et que le tennis masculin est plus attrayant que le tennis féminin.

Ne risquez-vous pas de vous attirer les foudres des associations féministes avec ce discours ?
Je m’en moque ! Quand les tournois deviennent des évènements combinés, c’est surtout pour sauver la semaine des filles. Quand à Rome, il y a 20 spectateurs pour assister à la finale dames et que l’année suivante, je ne peux pas m’entraîner sur le site une seule fois, parce que nous sommes trop nombreux, j’ai forcément les boules (sic). Et je pense que c’est légitime.

The whole itw is here:
http://www.sport24.com/tennis/wimble...guliere-565444
Absolute BS. He needs to shut up and play, and stop talking about something that doesn't concern him. He's on the ATP council, so talk about issues relevant to the ATP.
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he's made himself really popular I see from twitter by saying that the women don't deserve equal prize money
Quite frankly, at this point he's right. The women's tour is an absolute mess right now and is at an all-time low in popularity. Regardless, the only thing I care about is that he's focused on his match against Malisse. Let's win this thing.
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Allez Gilles .

The Daily Mail article thinks that this is Gilles .
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I tend to disagree with him. The womens tour at least has a very valid top 10 now as apposed to a couple years ago when wozniacki and zvonareva were 1 and 2

there's not one member of the top 10 on the wta tour who you can question being there, they all deserve it. I also think the quality is getting better, again certainly better than it was when we had wozniacki and zvonareva at the top

i dont know why the women dont go best of 5, its pretty clear that they do have the stamina..well some do anyway. I guess its just easier to do things this way in terms of running the tournament.

the only thing is that i dont know why it was even brought up since its not like him being elected to the council means he can do anything about it.

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Oh yeah almost forgot, it's true that the women's tour is a mess and unpopular compared to men's tennis these days, but it wasn't always that way. Back in the day, women's tennis was just as popular if not more. I don't think they should give women less prize money now, because someday things might change and women's tennis will rise to be more popular again. To lower and raise the prize money according to the popularity level would be a bit of a fiasco.

Plus on the flip-side, men's tennis is really quite boring right now. Nadull and Djokovic (although I am a fan of the Djoker) hogging all the slams is not fun. It's obvious one of them is going to win Wimbledon this year too. A different winner once in a while would be good. We haven't had one since Delpo won the USO in '09. I mean, it's not boring all the time to me because I have lots of faves who I like to see how they're doing, but towards the end of the slams? Yeah, it's a snoozefest.

For WTA haters, the problem is they're all screeching headcases/mugs. For ATP haters, the problem is it's boring because two guys are winning everything.
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Absolute BS. He needs to shut up and play, and stop talking about something that doesn't concern him. He's on the ATP council, so talk about issues relevant to the ATP.
Ummmm, he's entitled to his own opinion, just like you and me. It is not like he put out a random tweet like for no good reason. He was asked about the mixed event and he thinks the event are only mixed bcos they need the men to help out the women. I can understand why players don't like mixed event, since the schedule is very congested in those events, esp a ATP1000 event with all those matches in a week time. Some players has to play at a very late schedule. And this happens because the men generate more revenue than the women and so it's in a way subsidizing the women event to support equal pay to both...I read an article awhile ago regarding AO 2009, they mentioned 4000 empty seats in Woman Final with Serene and Justine playing, and consequently, they have to freeze the price for Women Final the next year. Men Final was sold out and they increased the price $50...If you can't even find ppl to watch the Women Final with superstars playing, do you think the Men and Women event generates the same amount of revenue? There is legit reason for talking about it. I mean, what Janko said about women players is Sexism with a capital S, but talking about equal prize money is simply economic.


Well, anyhow. I'm sure Gilles doesn't need any distraction. Malisse is going to be real tough, a very good grass player. Gilles will need to play very well and serve great. I hope he can do that.
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i think one major complaint about the women getting equal prize money is that they dont play best of 5 and so if they dont why do they get the same prize money.

he is of course entitled to his oppinion as you say but i just dont get why anyone asks him about it since he really cant do anything about it.

i've seen joint events where its not just the women who struggle to draw big crowds and i've also seen events where the women gather more of a crowd. Its not that the wta is un popular its that there are more superstars on the mens side. Everyone knows who murray, nadal, djokovic and federer are and probably del potro and tsonga too but on the womens side most casul fans could probably only name sharapova, clijsters and williams.Those 2 anyway have no trouble drawing big crowds.
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Ummmm, he's entitled to his own opinion, just like you and me. It is not like he put out a random tweet like for no good reason. He was asked about the mixed event and he thinks the event are only mixed bcos they need the men to help out the women. I can understand why players don't like mixed event, since the schedule is very congested in those events, esp a ATP1000 event with all those matches in a week time. Some players has to play at a very late schedule. And this happens because the men generate more revenue than the women and so it's in a way subsidizing the women event to support equal pay to both...I read an article awhile ago regarding AO 2009, they mentioned 4000 empty seats in Woman Final with Serene and Justine playing, and consequently, they have to freeze the price for Women Final the next year. Men Final was sold out and they increased the price $50...If you can't even find ppl to watch the Women Final with superstars playing, do you think the Men and Women event generates the same amount of revenue? There is legit reason for talking about it. I mean, what Janko said about women players is Sexism with a capital S, but talking about equal prize money is simply economic.
Had he made just this one point you made, I would agree that it's just his opinion. But there are about a handful of other articles out there which show more quotes from him, and he went on an on about how male players are more advanced, how womens sports should never be placed on the same level as men and women shouldn't be given the same prize money, blah blah blah. As I said, he needs to shut up and focus on the tennis.

And besides, contrary to Gilles' fairly inaccurate sources, most of the WTA tournaments were perfectly fine as separate events. It's not about subsidizing the WTA, it's simply that the WTA and ATP as a joint product are far better than as singular ones. They are almost presented as mini-slams, have more prestige and bring in more money, sponsorships etc. There's a reason why IW and Miami, which have been joint forever, are far bigger and better than the other events.

If the slams were to split into separate events, the ATP would do better as the tours stand now (although this could easily change post-big 3), but it wouldn't generate nearly as much revenue as one big joint event. That's all there is to it.


Anyway, back on topic...
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I just hate that people assume if you don't support equal prize money in tennis that somehow you think women don't deserve equal pay for equal work and that you are somehow being sexist. The point is that they are not generating the same amount of revenue that the men do and are not spending the same amount of time on court. I prefer the joint system as a fan but if the men and women's majors were split, the amount of revenue generated by the two majors would not even be close and it's naive to think otherwise. It might be wrong but the vast majority of men (and a lot of women too) do not take women's sports seriously and therefore, are not as interested in watching women's sports.

Anyway, one of the reasons I'm a huge fan of Gilles is he is a smart guy who speaks his mind. I might disagree with him sometimes but you always know where he stands.

As lalaland said though lets get back to the tournament and the reason we all became supporters of Gilles in the first place, his tennis. Allez Gilles, I'm really nervous about this one!
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Had he made just this one point you made, I would agree that it's just his opinion. But there are about a handful of other articles out there which show more quotes from him, and he went on an on about how male players are more advanced, how womens sports should never be placed on the same level as men and women shouldn't be given the same prize money, blah blah blah. As I said, he needs to shut up and focus on the tennis.
What I said were my interpretations of what I think could be his reasoning, and I'm sure different journalists run their imaginations thru his words in totally different way too. Besides, I also agreed male players are more advanced. One thing I don't like that turned me away from women game is that it's all about power. It's boring as hell. And I was a WTA fans back not too long ago when it wasn't all about bashing the balls and screaming. To me, Men tennis has much more variety and therefore a lot more interesting. Again, my opinion. I have a inkling that ppl who like ATP more is likely going to agree with him than ppl who like WTA more, like you. It's all a matter of opinions that tends to align with our preferences.

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And besides, contrary to Gilles' fairly inaccurate sources, most of the WTA tournaments were perfectly fine as separate events. It's not about subsidizing the WTA, it's simply that the WTA and ATP as a joint product are far better than as singular ones. They are almost presented as mini-slams, have more prestige and bring in more money, sponsorships etc. There's a reason why IW and Miami, which have been joint forever, are far bigger and better than the other events.
Well, according to what I read, ATP's smaller tournaments prize money pool are 50K (18%) euros higher than WTA's, I wonder why. Could it be because they don't generate the same amount of revenue?

In the point of view of organizers, joint events are of course better, economy of scale that always help lower cost. Just think about how much advertising money that saved to promote both Men and Women event that held at the same time then the 2 events held at different time? How much more attractive a joint event is for attracting financing money. Therefore, I'm not saying that the joint event is made solely so the Men event can help out the Women. But I think it is definitely an element that is being considered when they form their business strategy. It's a good hedge.

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If the slams were to split into separate events, the ATP would do better as the tours stand now (although this could easily change post-big 3), but it wouldn't generate nearly as much revenue as one big joint event. That's all there is to it.
I don't think Gilles is suggesting the slam to split, they have traditions, it has 2 weeks to play. He talks about Rome, a 1 week event with 6 rounds to play for each gender, that's a lot.

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As I said, he needs to shut up and focus on the tennis.
Well, I don't think he can shut up now since he just got sucked in to the most controversial topic to comment on. I bet we won't heard the end of it. For sure the press won't let go until they milk it enough. And I can imagine the headline tomorrow if he loses: "Simon lost, next time he should shut his month and concentrate on his tennis" .

I hope he doesn't need to keep explaining himself for what he said and get distracted. I too rather he had said nothing to begin with, but that's because I rather him avoid this kind of attention. Here, ppl say to not talk about religion and politics in gatherings then all will be fine, there's a reason why we talk about weather all the time .
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Anyway, one of the reasons I'm a huge fan of Gilles is he is a smart guy who speaks his mind. I might disagree with him sometimes but you always know where he stands.
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As lalaland said though lets get back to the tournament and the reason we all became supporters of Gilles in the first place, his tennis. Allez Gilles, I'm really nervous about this one!
Sorry Mike, didn't mean to drag this on. I hope this will go away soon so we can all concentrate on tennis.
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I wouldn't pay to watch the women play - they're at nowhere near the same standard and their screeching gets on my tits.
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