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Old 05-10-2012, 11:57 AM   #16
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Brave move. Reckless move? Possibly.
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This Obama has balls, hope he opened up some fucking eyes.

Hope he wins in November, Romney getting into the White House will just be another Bush, do we want that?
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:17 PM   #18
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I fear this might be a big blow to his campaign... let's have a look at this:



What is more likely, that the 22% of Republicans that support gay marriage end up voting for Obama, or that the 34% of Democrats who oppose it end up not voting for him? I think we all know the answer to that.
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What's saddening is that over 1/3 of Dems and Independents are anti-gay, when they theoretically should be more moderate-to-liberal on this issue. Simply highlights that gay hate isn't a party line situation. But instead of failure of personal morals.

Obama will gain some Republican votes, the moderates/liberal Republicans, and I expect him to gain some independents too, I think many will jump ship from Romney. But he will also lose many Blue Dog Democrats. So the balance I think will be even, BUT, people who were less likely to vote for Obama out of disappointment, it's something like this that will drag their asses out to the polls.
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I mean, it is all about treating people equally.

If 74% of Republicans do not agree with treating people equally, if 74% believe in discrimination simply because they do not agree with how someone lives their life, a life that has ZERO effect on their own life? Then fuck them, let them live in the 1750's.

And then people say, Jonathan, you only defend them because you are gay yourself I'm 100% straight, I just don't believe in discrimination simply because someone doesn't like how someone else lives their life, or even worse, what some book written 2000 years ago by those with an anti-gay agenda themselves says? Sorry, I call bullshit.

At least now hopefully this non-issue is resolved and we can focus on more pressing matters. Debt, joblessness, starvation, real issues.
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What's saddening is that over 1/3 of Dems and Independents are anti-gay, when they theoretically should be more moderate-to-liberal on this issue. Simply highlights that gay hate isn't a party line situation. But instead of failure of personal morals.

Obama will gain some Republican votes, the moderates/liberal Republicans, and I expect him to gain some independents too, I think many will jump ship from Romney. But he will also lose many Blue Dog Democrats. So the balance I think will be even, BUT, people who were less likely to vote for Obama out of disappointment, it's something like this that will drag their asses out to the polls.
Most anti-gay marriage Democrats are blue-collar Dems that won't vote for him anyway or ethnic Dems who don't vote on social issues.
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Great guy, this Obama. Love is unconditional, no matter your gender, race, background etc. Congrats to Barack for recognizing the truth. This will definitely help many people who have lived in shame because of their homosexual feelings to feel better about themselves.

I hope he wins reelection. He is certainly better than Mitten and the others.
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At least now hopefully this non-issue is resolved and we can focus on more pressing matters. Debt, joblessness, starvation, real issues.
Gay marriage, a non-issue? Tell that to Filo, or the millions of Christians (moderate or otherwise) who oppose gay marriage on religious grounds, or Obama even for arguably playing this card for the elections. I agree with you that, in theory, it shouldn't be anyone's business if one loves someone of the same sex; but the sad truth is that it's an extremely polarising issue, not just in America but in most countries. I don't foresee this issue being resolved anytime soon; certainly not within the next 50 years.
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Right now, it's basically 50-50 in America, at least, also countries such as Australia and England. Other countries like Canada, Scandinavian countries like Sweden, Norway and Denmark, where LGBT persons' lives are actually affirmed and accepted by the government, they have mostly progressed beyond this issue.

It's also NOT a shocker these countries are less religions and less Victorian. Canada has progressed beyond it's Victorian traditions, because the country is less religious. America is one of the most religious countries in the world, and one of the most socially conservative. Marriage equality is seen as basically going 100% against what America stands for and it's traditions in the eyes of people against same-sex couples marrying, which is why they are so against it. They will NEVER back down, because they see this as basically the end of civilization as we know it, this is why homosexuality has always been an issue, during slavery, homosexuality was an issue. Both World Wars, homosexuality, not accepted culturally. Holocaust, gay men were tortured, lobotomized and killed. People see homosexuality and gayness in general as more than just something that makes people "less than", or as a personal failure. They see it as a disease that has to be stamped out before it spreads.

This "issue", completely fabricated one by bigots but still an issue nonetheless, is way more emotional than I think every other social issue we've ever dealt with in our globalized existence. This isn't just about principled stands against homosexuality, unlike other atrocities based on hateful principles, but it's literally like an emotional trigger. Something triggers inside of homophobes that causes them to lash out against gay people and everything gay-related. That the world will be ruined, if we accept and affirm gayness as OK. My life is ruined, my life is so damaged, because these two men are marrying, or these two women are kissing. None of this is rational or thought-based. It's all emotional. Religion--------emotional. Tradition-------emotional. Statements like "marriage is the bedrock of our civilization"-----emotional.

It's hard to reason with people who base their entire views on emotions. That's why you see gay-bashings, and people calling for the death of gays. This is the reason for the inconsistency in regards to treatment in terms of anti-gay statements, and other bigoted statements. It's an emotional issue and these people cannot emotionally handle the fact people are gay, either due to bias, b/c of personal disgust, b/c of bad personal experience, b/c of how they've been raised. Because they're threatened, and insecure. Homophobia is classified as an irrational personality dysfunction with reason.
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In australia it's way more than 50-50 because we are not religious freaks.

The only argument i've seen some people i've talked to have against gay marriage is the emotional trauma the kids will undergo when gay couple are allowed to adopt (mainly bullying in school - the biggest cruelties are usually on the playground)
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I think people are exaggerating the effect this will have, truth is I don't think many Americans who are strongly against gay marriage were voting democrat anyway. And I think the majority do not care much one way or the other, its the economy which will (and should) decide the American election.
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I mean, it is all about treating people equally.

If 74% of Republicans do not agree with treating people equally, if 74% believe in discrimination simply because they do not agree with how someone lives their life, a life that has ZERO effect on their own life? Then fuck them, let them live in the 1750's.
Yep... it's the one thing that puzzles me most - why do certain folks make such a big fuss about what one adult enjoys doing together with another consenting adult in the privacy of his/her own bedroom?

Not just about anti-gay bigots, but also folks who appear to be 'anti' against anyone who does NOT want to get married, have children, etcetera. In other words, being against anyone who would rather choose his/her own lifestyle in stead of following the so-called designated route of life.

Should we (yes, despite not being gay myself, I use this word on purpose) indeed end up rotting in hell, so what? I guess these religious bigots wouldn't want us te be around in their heaven anyways...
I pretty feel that the folks I'll end up being in hell with will be more interesting folks anyways.
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Bitches, this is dramatic, huge, and probably the biggest moment in LGBTQ history worldwide. This is beyond major.
Quit the drama, there are scores of other countries where gay can marry, yours is trailing way behind in that, so while hugely significant for the poor gay folk in deep Missouri I fail to grasp its importance to the rest of the world.
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