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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 103 39.31%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.54%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 19 7.25%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.63%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.63%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 18 6.87%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.91%
Nadal 1-2 matches ahead. 1 0.38%
Equal 4 1.53%
Federer ahead 47 17.94%
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:52 AM   #1291
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and what is this distinction between "tennis abilities" and "athlectic abilities" which I've so much read ?

Athleticism is a big big part of tennis nowadays, tennis is not in Nastase's time anymore (I'm also sorry about that like you ), it's a very physical sport

Besides, Nadal has other abilities than the ones you mentioned.
Yes, but Federer's game works better across what variety of surfaces we still have. He has - or at his peak, had - one significant weakness on one surface that pretty much only one of his contemporaries was ever able to exploit. Nadal has more holes in his game on more surfaces that more players are able to exploit. He is a bit faster than Federer - although people underestimate how fleet of foot Fed was at his peak - and he is able to generate more topspin (although again, people underestimate how much spin Federer can generate), but as I said, in every other aspect of "talent", whether technical or athletic, he is inferior to Federer.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:54 AM   #1292
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Yes, but Federer's game works better across what variety of surfaces we still have. He has - or at his peak, had - one significant weakness on one surface that pretty much only one of his contemporaries was ever able to exploit. Nadal has more holes in his game on more surfaces that more players are able to exploit. He is a bit faster than Federer - although people underestimate how fleet of foot Fed was at his peak - and he is able to generate more topspin (although again, people underestimate how much spin Federer can generate), but as I said, in every other aspect of "talent", whether technical or athletic, he is inferior to Federer.
I disagree with you but I don't want to launch that other debate.

But in other periods of tennis, yes clearly Fed would have had more natural talents.

Anyway, even in today's period, Nadal still has his massive "Achille's heel" in his legs (and their adequation with his footwork).

And even if I also think that the H2H between Fed and Nadal is overrated and not representative at all on hardcourts.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:46 AM   #1293
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Yes, but Federer's game works better across what variety of surfaces we still have. He has - or at his peak, had - one significant weakness on one surface that pretty much only one of his contemporaries was ever able to exploit. Nadal has more holes in his game on more surfaces that more players are able to exploit. He is a bit faster than Federer - although people underestimate how fleet of foot Fed was at his peak - and he is able to generate more topspin (although again, people underestimate how much spin Federer can generate), but as I said, in every other aspect of "talent", whether technical or athletic, he is inferior to Federer.
Federer just completely copied the game of Sampras which is made to bore people out of their minds among other things. He is also massively backed up by tennis establishment and corporations. Players like Djokovic and Nadal play a totally unique game and they have totally trasformed it for the future. In the future players will copy Djokovic and Nadal but not Federer if anything.

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Old 11-27-2012, 12:13 PM   #1294
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Federer just completely copied the game of Sampras which is made to bore people out of their minds among other things. He is also massively backed up by tennis establishment and corporations. Players like Djokovic and Nadal play a totally unique game and they have totally trasformed it for the future. In the future players will copy Djokovic and Nadal but not Federer if anything.
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Federer just completely copied the game of Sampras which is made to bore people out of their minds among other things. He is also massively backed up by tennis establishment and corporations. Players like Djokovic and Nadal play a totally unique game and they have totally trasformed it for the future. In the future players will copy Djokovic and Nadal but not Federer if anything.
talk about delusion

Fed plays a game that the world loves, yo' boy is just a glorified pusher runner
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:29 PM   #1296
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Federer just completely copied the game of Sampras which is made to bore people out of their minds among other things. He is also massively backed up by tennis establishment and corporations. Players like Djokovic and Nadal play a totally unique game and they have totally trasformed it for the future. In the future players will copy Djokovic and Nadal but not Federer if anything.
This is just absurd. I might as well complain about Nadal serve-and-volleying too much and Djokovic using too many underhand serves.
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talk about delusion

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someone is butt hurt about WTF result man
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Someones forgot about Cincy or Wimbledon. I will take Wmbledon many many times to WTF. Djokovic could keep it
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Someones forgot about Cincy or Wimbledon. I will take Wmbledon many many times to WTF. Djokovic could keep it
and Djokovic has AO which is equal of Wimbledon so your reasoning fails
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and Djokovic has AO which is equal of Wimbledon so your reasoning fails
I thought Federer didn´t play Djokovic there, but of course, I might be wrong.
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I thought Federer didn´t play Djokovic there, but of course, I might be wrong.
no he did not he lost to Nadal in SF
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Federer just completely copied the game of Sampras which is made to bore people out of their minds among other things. He is also massively backed up by tennis establishment and corporations. Players like Djokovic and Nadal play a totally unique game and they have totally trasformed it for the future. In the future players will copy Djokovic and Nadal but not Federer if anything.

This is proof that pusher-tards don't know any tennis.
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ok kids, obviously my opinion has left you speechless and defensive. That can only be because you see a lot of truth to it.
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Federer just completely copied the game of Sampras which is made to bore people out of their minds among other things. He is also massively backed up by tennis establishment and corporations. Players like Djokovic and Nadal play a totally unique game and they have totally trasformed it for the future. In the future players will copy Djokovic and Nadal but not Federer if anything.
It's a disgrace this clown has only made the 2nd round of ACC. All the Djokotards must have been in euphoria after WTF, so they stayed on MTF in this dead period of the year and defended all the other Djokotards.

ACC should be held during WTF or in January.
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talk about delusion

Fed plays a game that the world loves, yo' boy is just a glorified pusher runner
What's up with insults ? Do my words come that close to the truth that you dare not admit?
Being popular? Coca cola and Mcdonalds are popular with the lowest common denominators. It doesn't mean that it is any good, just the poor taste of the brainwashed masses.
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