[fivebargate]

Originally Posted by durrrr

Fumus is just a duck fanboy. Bitter for all these years. Just like tangy and star

I was going to address Fumus post point by point....but on someone so illogical without any inclination of sporting understanding beyond "I love Rrrafa", I feel my words would be lost.

[tripwires]

Originally Posted by fivebargate

I was going to address Fumus post point by point....but on someone so illogical without any inclination of sporting understanding beyond "I love Rrrafa", I feel my words would be lost.

Yeah, I can't be arsed to reply too.

[luie]

Originally Posted by rocketassist

He never used to be that bad but nowadays, he's copying all the parrots with the same old crap. If you can't beat 'em join 'em....

He's actually doing a heya with his 'federer gets owned, LOL' schtick

Agreed . Fumus was never this bitter , it was usually black Adam , tangy and Sawan leading the anti - fed contingent .
Seems like in the absence of these posters he is over compensating a bit . With the run of the mill nadull owns fed Type garbage and such. The years it seems only to fuel his hatred and bitterness it seems.
What if Novak didn't have breathing and physical problems how much would nadull win?
If technology did help nadull hit so many rpms with modern strings. If the courts hadn't slowness down to help retrievers. And hamper ball strikers , how many slams would nadull hold. ? We could go on and on but it wouldn't make any difference.
Nadull is just a glorified Sergi burgueura

[Corey Feldman]

Fumus is bitter because he hates Murray, check Wimbledin final thread and see him crowing about Muzza never winning anything

that Olympic gold butthurt him badly, he's blaming Fed

[luie]

These rafole fan and fed haters lack originality. A 31 year old grandpa is sitting on the tennis throne , beat nadull in their most recent encounter and all they can come up with is nadull owns fed he he . That was so April 2008- jan 2009. Guys stop living in the past.
Well then I can also play that game Novak owns nadull . I mean only the past count.

[rafa_maniac]

Originally Posted by fivebargate

This has to be a joke post, right? Doubles gold doesn't count for Fed - a team event iwth only one other countryman....but you slip the Davis Cup in there for Nadal (a team event with many countrymen).

Sure Fed would have like the singles Gold....but it really is no biggie....no need to over-reach and make the Olympics more than they are. They were a big special this year, as they were at Wimbledon with a local hero in the final....after this, not so much. Back to sub-YEC level for the Olympics.

I said a hand in Davis Cup victories, you have to play and win singles rubbers to do that. But no, I don't really count them anyway. And I see no sign of the importance of the Olympics abating, quite the opposite. Ask any top player whether they'd rather win YEC or Olympic Gold and I'd bet alot of money the vast majority say the latter.

[Matt01]

Originally Posted by luie

Well then I can also play that game Novak owns nadull . I mean only the past count.

Didn't Nadal beat Novak the last two times they played? FAIL.

[luie]

Originally Posted by Matt01

Didn't Nadal beat Novak the last two times they played? FAIL.

As expected u didn't grasp what I was saying . In fact nadull beat Novak the last 3 times they played . So it cannot be said that nadull currently cannot beat Novak . Anything can happen but certainly Novak should be the favorite.
It's the same thing with fed he won his last encounter against nadull on slow high bouncing surface . So anything can happen , even though Nadull should be the favorite.
Tennis anything can happen , the ifs have no place . It is what it is. Everyone should just acknowledge one of the greatest Tennis Olympian in his and move on.

[fivebargate]

Originally Posted by rafa_maniac

I said a hand in Davis Cup victories, you have to play and win singles rubbers to do that. But no, I don't really count them anyway. And I see no sign of the importance of the Olympics abating, quite the opposite. Ask any top player whether they'd rather win YEC or Olympic Gold and I'd bet alot of money the vast majority say the latter.

Good that you don't count DC, thanks for clearing that up. You still slipped them in there!

As for asking players whether they would rather have a YEC or an Olympic gold....it would definitely depend on their circumstance. The focus on Fed and the gold has come because it is about the only thing he still doesn't have.....and becasuse it was at Wimbledon. As a tennis achievement, it is still no more than a depleted Masters 1000 event with a 5-setter tagged on the end. The YEC is a best-of-the-best event....you have to have a top 8 season just for entry and then you have to beat the best in the world with no filler. Sure Fed would have liked the gold medal, nobody is denying that. However, if is was a choice between that for the first time and the "best of the best" YEC title for the first time....Fed would defo. be choosing the latter.

[Looner]

Originally Posted by fivebargate

I was going to address Fumus post point by point....but on someone so illogical without any inclination of sporting understanding beyond "I love Rrrafa", I feel my words would be lost.

Originally Posted by tripwires

Yeah, I can't be arsed to reply too.

Originally Posted by Corey Feldman

Fumus is bitter because he hates Murray, check Wimbledin final thread and see him crowing about Muzza never winning anything

that Olympic gold butthurt him badly, he's blaming Fed

Exactly what I was about to post. I've never seen such a butthurt non-Nadull fanboy except Nole fan in her prime.

[tennizen]

Originally Posted by rafa_maniac

I said a hand in Davis Cup victories, you have to play and win singles rubbers to do that. But no, I don't really count them anyway. And I see no sign of the importance of the Olympics abating, quite the opposite. Ask any top player whether they'd rather win YEC or Olympic Gold and I'd bet alot of money the vast majority say the latter.

What they would like to win is different from what competition has greater value. Competitions like DC and Olympics have patriotic feelings attached to them and they get to compete not alone but have support from team mates, crowd etc and this makes the experience special for many of them. YEC is a competition meant to crown the best of the best and by its very definition has greater intrinsic value than Olympics.

What you are suggesting is akin to saying Nadal's victories at Barcelona and Federer's at Basel mean a lot more to them than some of the Masters series and so their importance is greater.

[rafa_maniac]

Originally Posted by tennizen

What they would like to win is different from what competition has greater value. Competitions like DC and Olympics have patriotic feelings attached to them and they get to compete not alone but have support from team mates, crowd etc and this makes the experience special for many of them. YEC is a competition meant to crown the best of the best and by its very definition has greater intrinsic value than Olympics.

What you are suggesting is akin to saying Nadal's victories at Barcelona and Federer's at Basel mean a lot more to them than some of the Masters series and so their importance is greater.

I think it's a case of weighing it up in regards to what a player wants to win vs what has "greater value". That the Olympics gives players those feelings is exactly what makes them so special. We're not talking about one player with a certain affinity for a particular tournament as you suggest, EVERY top player has been quoted on how much value they place in the Olympics. If they're all saying it, what "intrinsically" makes YEC more important, because points and money alone don't equate to worth.

[rafa_maniac]

Originally Posted by fivebargate

Good that you don't count DC, thanks for clearing that up. You still slipped them in there!

As for asking players whether they would rather have a YEC or an Olympic gold....it would definitely depend on their circumstance. The focus on Fed and the gold has come because it is about the only thing he still doesn't have.....and becasuse it was at Wimbledon. As a tennis achievement, it is still no more than a depleted Masters 1000 event with a 5-setter tagged on the end. The YEC is a best-of-the-best event....you have to have a top 8 season just for entry and then you have to beat the best in the world with no filler. Sure Fed would have liked the gold medal, nobody is denying that. However, if is was a choice between that for the first time and the "best of the best" YEC title for the first time....Fed would defo. be choosing the latter.

I'm not just talking about Fed, in fact of the top players I think Nadal, Murray, Del Potro and Djokovic care more about Olympics than him. The only reason he seems to now is because he's realised it's the last hole in his resume.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Fumus

Retarded statement? Pathetic fangirl?

I don't get your argument at all, you aren't making any points. I see that you disagree with me, that's it. Perhaps you could elaborate on this a bit?

You are like the 99% of the other posters on this board who don't read and just post whatever nonsense they like. Let's not call people names though, that's just silly. We're talking about tennis here.

Yes - losing in the 2nd round is bad luck for Rafa and good luck for Federer. Would you agree with that statement?

If you agree with that then, you can also agree that Federer was a benefactor of luck and circumstance. That luck really being that he didn't have to face his main rival because he would have lost to him. Any win overshadowed by such a thing has to be tainted.

One more time, simplified so you can understand:

You said Fed wins, but since Rafa was not good enough to reach the final, Fed's win is tainted.

I say that is a pathetically retarded statement.

Got it?

[tennizen]

Originally Posted by rafa_maniac

I think it's a case of weighing it up in regards to what a player wants to win vs what has "greater value". That the Olympics gives players those feelings is exactly what makes them so special.

It makes it special but for reasons beyond what is normal competitive value. You simply cannot judge an event's merit by the amount of joy a player derives from winning it.

We're not talking about one player with a certain affinity for a particular tournament as you suggest, EVERY top player has been quoted on how much value they place in the Olympics.

Again, they all value it for sure but it is the same kind of value an individual player might place on winning his home tournament. It just happens to be a common tournament where everyone plays.