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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 103 39.31%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.54%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 19 7.25%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.63%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.63%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 18 6.87%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.91%
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:41 AM   #931
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I know right. Connors and Lendl must also be greater than Borg.
Borg has as many majors as Nadal, without playing AO. Connors and Lendl has fewer. Besides, Borg was "cheated" out of several weeks as #1 by the then incomplete ranking system. Connors got too many.

Majors are the first thing you look at. #1 (with year-end ranking) is the second. WTF and Olympics come in the 3rd category. So Federer has six 3rd category wins against Nadals one. It is not something Nadal can't offset by other merits, certainly, but for now he is behind in the more important ones also. He is ahead only in the 4th category - masters tournaments - and not by much.
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For those who feel the Olympics are more prestigious because they are only held each four years - what is your take on Madrid on blue clay? That was - as it appears - once in a lifetime. So how big is that win, then?
Madrid on blue clay counts as 10 GS. Everybody knows that.
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Nadull has always been bitter since Federer stole his thunder by winning Gold in 2008 doubles

no one cared about Nadal's singles match
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:00 PM   #935
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Fed is, was and always will be considered greater, noone need have any delusions there, so I don't see why certain insecure Fed fans feel the need to delude themselves either. Fed didn't complete the Career Golden Slam, simple as that. And no, a doubles Gold doesn't count any more than a Gold in javelin would count or a Wimbledon doubles title. They each have achieved things the other hasn't, Nadal has his Gold and a hand in several Davis Cups and Fed has his WTF titles and far more Slams/time at #1. You can't expect a player to have EVERYTHING.
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it's normal to see Murray appreciates Nadal more when Fed is ruining his carrier
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For those who feel the Olympics are more prestigious because they are only held each four years - what is your take on Madrid on blue clay? That was - as it appears - once in a lifetime. So how big is that win, then?

Madrid even with or without blue clay is still the same tournament.
Olympics are often held on a diffrent surface AND are only held every 4 years.

The difference shouldn't be that hard to understand.


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it's normal to see Murray appreciates Nadal more when Fed is ruining his carrier

Nadal has ruined Murray's career too by often beating him in the Slams.
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Dwarfed? No, they aren't. A bit less arrogance would be nice.
Stop embarrassing your self by denying facts, thanks.
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Stop embarrassing your self by denying facts, thanks.


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Fed is, was and always will be considered greater, noone need have any delusions there, so I don't see why certain insecure Fed fans feel the need to delude themselves either. Fed didn't complete the Career Golden Slam, simple as that. And no, a doubles Gold doesn't count any more than a Gold in javelin would count or a Wimbledon doubles title. They each have achieved things the other hasn't, Nadal has his Gold and a hand in several Davis Cups and Fed has his WTF titles and far more Slams/time at #1. You can't expect a player to have EVERYTHING.
So, according to you, we should close and delete this thread. I agree. No point comparing a lion with a domestic kitten because that's the difference between RF and RN's achievements.


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Old 08-07-2012, 02:17 PM   #941
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That's the worst analogy of all-time. If I get an A on a pure MCQ without the essay part that I suck at, I still get an A. The only thing that the asterisk next to my grade would symbolise is that I totally kicked ass at the test (hence getting an A* - A Star).



Again, your analogy is flawed. Nadal entered the 2012 Wimbledon Championships. He lost in the second round. That's not the same as a player winning a 250 tournament that the top players did not enter.



He did beat Nadal in a couple of slam finals, so stop trying to rewrite history. It's not his problem that Nadal couldn't get past the second round of Wimbledon this year, or that he lost to Ferrer in Melbourne 2010. Nadal losing before the final to meet Roger in no way taints his achievements. Only a Nadaltard/Fedhater would think that. Did he get lucky when Nadal lost early? Of course he did. But Nadal losing was not the only reason for Roger's victories. He had to show up, take the court, and, gasp, play tennis to win matches - and that was exactly what he did.

Anyway, you can discount his victories all you want; sadly for you, a win is a win, and there's nothing that anyone can say that'd diminish his success and achievements.
My analogies are spot on. These wins when Nadal has dropped out early(or couldn't play due to injury) are opportunistic and benefiting from fortunate circumstance. Federer didn't have to play against his greatest challenger and thus it made it easier for him to win....just like a 250 event with the weak competition and a test without the essay portion.

When was the last time he beat Nadal in a grand slam final? Oh yea, that's right Fed hasn't beaten him since Nadal took the upper hand on him at Wimbledon in 2008. (Crushing blow to your argument there.)

There's is plenty one can say to scrutinize another's success and achievements. The biggest of which, for me is that Federer wouldn't have achieved many of them if he had to play Nadal in the final.

Nadal OWNS Fed.

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The point is to win tournaments, not to "beat that specific guy". Pete Sampras would only have five majors if we only count the ones with Agassi and the rest meaningless by your logic. Nadal would also only have six (vs rival Federer)
Sure yea, I am not saying Federer didn't win those tournaments...just like I am not saying that the 1987 NFL football season didn't count. I am making the point that the win is tainted, it's lucky for him because he didn't have to play Rafa in the final. I don't see what's so complicated or wrong about that statement.

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And that is a retarded statement because his rival was not good enough to reach the finals. I'm sure lots of connaisseurs are saying "this wimbledon title means less because thew winner did not beat the guy who lost in round 2 to an unknown ranked 100 in the world."

Actually connaisseurs is not the proper expression to describe people who would say that. I believe pathetic nadal fangirl fits better.
Retarded statement? Pathetic fangirl?

I don't get your argument at all, you aren't making any points. I see that you disagree with me, that's it. Perhaps you could elaborate on this a bit?

You are like the 99% of the other posters on this board who don't read and just post whatever nonsense they like. Let's not call people names though, that's just silly. We're talking about tennis here.

Yes - losing in the 2nd round is bad luck for Rafa and good luck for Federer. Would you agree with that statement?

If you agree with that then, you can also agree that Federer was a benefactor of luck and circumstance. That luck really being that he didn't have to face his main rival because he would have lost to him. Any win overshadowed by such a thing has to be tainted.

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Oh, really? RG'06,07,08,11 AO'09 WI'08 were not all Nadal - Federer finals? How many more chances does the supposed "Goat" need?
Not to mention all the other non slam meetings they've had when Nadal whooped up on the supposed greatest of all time. LOL.
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Tennis is about winning titels not about a positive head to head. As Roger was in his prime and reached the US Open finals year after year Nadal was simply not there. Roger is also not to blame, that Nadal tends to lose against opponents Roger has not faced defeats in slams.
If Roger has profited from a weak aera Nadal surely has done it in the same way. Why was the Spaniard not able to beat prime Djokovic? It was Roger, who was able to defeat him, a man who is past his prime.
Nadal might not be the best match up for the Swiss, but this takes not a lot from his greatness.
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Fumus is just a duck fanboy. Bitter for all these years. Just like tangy and star
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Fed is, was and always will be considered greater, noone need have any delusions there, so I don't see why certain insecure Fed fans feel the need to delude themselves either. Fed didn't complete the Career Golden Slam, simple as that. And no, a doubles Gold doesn't count any more than a Gold in javelin would count or a Wimbledon doubles title. They each have achieved things the other hasn't, Nadal has his Gold and a hand in several Davis Cups and Fed has his WTF titles and far more Slams/time at #1. You can't expect a player to have EVERYTHING.
This has to be a joke post, right? Doubles gold doesn't count for Fed - a team event iwth only one other countryman....but you slip the Davis Cup in there for Nadal (a team event with many countrymen).

Sure Fed would have like the singles Gold....but it really is no biggie....no need to over-reach and make the Olympics more than they are. They were a big special this year, as they were at Wimbledon with a local hero in the final....after this, not so much. Back to sub-YEC level for the Olympics.
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