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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 108 40.30%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.33%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 19 7.09%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.46%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.46%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 19 7.09%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.87%
Nadal 1-2 matches ahead. 1 0.37%
Equal 4 1.49%
Federer ahead 47 17.54%
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Old 09-24-2010, 04:52 PM   #31
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Default Re: Poll: Nadals 2010 season vs Federers 2007 season

Nadals 2010 season without a doubt :
- 3 consecutive Slams on 3 different surfaces !
- clay "Grand Slam"
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Old 09-24-2010, 04:55 PM   #32
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Why are some clowns voting for Federer? :retard:

He couldn't win 3 slams on 3 different surfaces in a row.
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Old 09-24-2010, 05:04 PM   #33
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Why are some clowns voting for Federer? :retard:

He couldn't win 3 slams on 3 different surfaces in a row.
24-24 It seems pretty cut and dry and born on clay summed it up nicely.

I don't see many Fedtards on the Forum. Only a handful seem active. But obviously they're not extinct yet. Got to give them credit for being loyal I guess.
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Nadals 2010 season without a doubt.

Last time it occurred(FO/W/USO) was Laver in 1969 but USO was on grass not HC...
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Old 09-24-2010, 07:12 PM   #35
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Default Re: Poll: Nadals 2010 season vs Federers 2007 season

I would normally say that it would be appropriate to wait until the end of the season, but in this case, I don't mind giving an opinion now.

If someone wants to look at this from a fan's perspective, I think they can do what so many fans do, which is to choose the one they want to believe is better, and then selectively pull whatever stats they want to support that position. I think a legit case could be made either way, from a fan's perspective.

However, if I look at this from a PLAYER'S perspective, and I look at calendar years in isolation, I think Nadal has just pulled off the best season since Laver in 1969. I think players like Fed, Sampras, Nadal, McEnroe, or just about any ATP player would choose the season where they won three slams on three different surfaces over any other possible season, short of winning the calendar slam. Why? Because it's hard enough to win a grand slam on one surface, even harder to win on two surfaces, and it takes one very special player to win on all three surfaces. (I'm counting a hard court as a hard court, regardless of the exact type.)

While TMC, Masters 1000s, win pct, #1 ranking, etc. are all very nice things, I believe most players would rather have a grand slam win, if they had to choose. If grand slams are the ultimate prize, as I believe they are to Fed and Nadal, three slams on three surfaces beats three slams on two surfaces, IF you look at a season in isolation. If I were able to play tennis at this level, that's the combination I would pick, and it would require very little thought on my part.

Now, this is much less important if you want to consider an entire CAREER. They have both won the career grand slam, so in some respects, I guess you could say "three slams are three slams", and maybe use other stuff as a tiebreaker? But, taken as a year in isolation, I think Nadal's 2010 is the best since Laver, regardless of any other results. In terms of a career, I consider Fed to be in the very top echelon of all time greats, a place I don't put Nadal, at least not as of yet. And while I consider Nadal's 2010 to be the better single season, if I had to have Fed's 05, 06 or 07 as a consolation prize, I think I could manage...
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Why are some clowns voting for Federer? :retard:

He couldn't win 3 slams on 3 different surfaces in a row.
Neither could Nadal match Federer's 2/2 in hardcourt slams. You're trading domination on a surface, for consistency across surfaces.

I also don't see why winning events consecutively is so important. Comparing Nadal's 2010 with Federer's 2007, Federer did much better at the beginning of the year, but not as well in the clay season. So Nadal's achievements are bunched up into one period, while Federer's are spread out. If the grand slams were played in a different order, then the opposite situation could arise.

At the end of the day, both players won three slams in a year. That's what counts.
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However, if I look at this from a PLAYER'S perspective, and I look at calendar years in isolation, I think Nadal has just pulled off the best season since Laver in 1969. I think players like Fed, Sampras, Nadal, McEnroe, or just about any ATP player would choose the season where they won three slams on three different surfaces over any other possible season, short of winning the calendar slam. Why? Because it's hard enough to win a grand slam on one surface, even harder to win on two surfaces, and it takes one very special player to win on all three surfaces. (I'm counting a hard court as a hard court, regardless of the exact type.)
I think you're overlooking one very important factor: dominance. Yes, winning 3 slams on 3 surfaces is.. nice, but, ultimately, you're just winning 3 slams. Now, were Nadal to win AO for a NCYGS, that would really be something special, otherwise, no, I don't think the players would consider it particularly spectacular. On the other hand, what McEnroe displayed in '84, what Federer displayed (particularly in '05 and '06, '04 and '07 were clearly lesser years in my opinion, in quality if not achievement) was absolute peerless dominance, the likes of which haven't been seen since Laver either. Nadal hasn't come close to subjugating the men's tour like these two did.

So yeah, Federer's '07 I can easily see the argument for, but to consider it the best tennis year since Laver's '69 is an absolute mammoth stretch.
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nadal.
because rafa won the 3 most important slams on 3 different surfaces.
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Nadal's year isn't over yet, so I'll wait.
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Old 09-25-2010, 12:45 AM   #40
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Default Re: Poll: Nadals 2010 season vs Federers 2007 season

It's far too early to attempt to answer this question. So far, the results and levels of performances are on Federer's 2007 season, but that could change if Nadal wins the World Tour Finals with a barn-storming display of tennis.

One must also be careful quoting various statistics, as they can be used to prove just about anything. One has to look at what lies behind the statistics and make sense of them, not just quote them willy nilly. It's absurd to use as evidence that Nadal won all the clay Masters series and Roland Garros (albeit a great achievement) without even so much as qualifying it by saying Federer never had the chance to pull off such a run on his best surface at any point in his career due to the pathetic and unfair length of the grass-court season.
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Old 09-25-2010, 03:26 AM   #41
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I think you're overlooking one very important factor: dominance. Yes, winning 3 slams on 3 surfaces is.. nice, but, ultimately, you're just winning 3 slams. Now, were Nadal to win AO for a NCYGS, that would really be something special, otherwise, no, I don't think the players would consider it particularly spectacular. On the other hand, what McEnroe displayed in '84, what Federer displayed (particularly in '05 and '06, '04 and '07 were clearly lesser years in my opinion, in quality if not achievement) was absolute peerless dominance, the likes of which haven't been seen since Laver either. Nadal hasn't come close to subjugating the men's tour like these two did.

So yeah, Federer's '07 I can easily see the argument for, but to consider it the best tennis year since Laver's '69 is an absolute mammoth stretch.
While winning a NCYGS would be quite an accomplishment, the thread is about calendar year accomplishments...

To me, the whole "dominance" argument sounds like a fan's perspective, not a player's perspective. If your opinion is that the players care about being dominant more than winning slams, or that dominance would break a tie in slam titles, I have no problem with that opinion. I just disagree. Even the great ones can have a surface that gives them trouble. You think Mac would have traded a few victories in '84 for a FO title? I do. As Fed was being hammered by Nadal in the 2008 FO final, if he magically had the opportunity to trade some previous "dominance" for a single FO title, do you think he would have done so? I do.

Again, all bets are off when you consider a career. If you know you are going to win every major event anyway, or feel confident about your chances, then perhaps it just doesn't matter?

As for the "mammoth stretch" part, I don't know what to tell you. Nobody pulled off what Nadal did since Laver, regardless of how "dominant" they might have been. And nobody did the FO, WIM, USO triple on three different surfaces. If that doesn't merit consideration for top season in your book, that's fine, but I think the accomplishment speaks for itself. Everyone is free to have their own interpretation of accomplishments, and I have no interest in changing anyone's mind on this topic. The OP asked for opinions, and I've given mine.
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this is Federer's worst year from 04 to 07 and it is pretty even!
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Even though Rafa has had a better year, he's losing the poll because too many Fedtards are voting with multiple accounts
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Nadals 2010 season without a doubt :
- 3 consecutive Slams on 3 different surfaces !
- clay "Grand Slam"
- completing career golden grand slam
- first male ever to win 3 consecutive Masters 1000 tourneys
All of these are manufactured by the press and Nadulltards. "Golden Slam" is completely made up by the American media to make Agassi seem more important than he was (also Graf to promote WTA as a sport ), no one except Nadulltards cares about the Olympics. 3 consecutive MS and the clay "GS" are also totally made up, those accomplishments would have been impossible without 1st round byes and getting rid of best of 5 set finals (also getting rid of Hamburg to ensure Nadull would win them all). 3 consecutive slams is the only accomplishment that matters here, but that pales in comparison to 4 consecutive GS finals (winning 3) and TMC, especially when put in context of Fed beating Nadull in 5 for the Wimbledon title and his unbelievable play at the AO.

The answer is obviously Fed 2007, however promoting Nadull as the GOAT and 2010 as rival to Fed's best years is much better for TV ratings and the media hype machine, which Nadulltards are more than willing to swallow
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Even though Rafa has had a better year, he's losing the poll because too many Fedtards are voting with multiple accounts
This could be funny coming from a double or possibly triple account, and I'm sure you're cackling to yourself, but instead it's just annoying. GM would be so much better if clowns like this were just banned
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