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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 103 39.31%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.54%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 19 7.25%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.63%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.63%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 18 6.87%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.91%
Nadal 1-2 matches ahead. 1 0.38%
Equal 4 1.53%
Federer ahead 47 17.94%
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:49 AM   #331
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Default Re: A World Without Fed and the Clay Warrior : Where Would the Sport Be Today?

I expect there will be a transitional champ era like the one after Sampras/Agassi were done, late '00 (probably Nole and Murray with other people of their generation like Juan) and then the next generation of champs will step it up.

It is true that Roger and Rafa have set the standards for the players to come, but the sport will continue once they are done, we can't expect the same level just after they retire but the sport is healthy and kicking
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:51 AM   #332
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i thing fed and nadal are tennis in this era. they alone define and redefine excellence in the sport. who has ever been as good as those two?

who has ever had their consistency not only as it relates to their sustained domination of the sport but also as it relates to the consistency of stroke production. they are like machines.

and as far as rivalries go, even agassi has said that no rivalry has ever come close to this rivalry in the sport.
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Novak, Murray & Roddick would all have multiple slams.
so true. even sod may have had a slam or 2 under his belt.

nole is going to get his slams sooner or later anyway. he is just that good.
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Novak, Murray & Roddick would all have multiple slams.


soderling,del potro and berdych would be up there as well imo
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i wouldnt cut myself so much
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LMAO. It is hilarious to imagine what the career of Roddick would have been like. Duck would have like, what, 6 or 7 slams? His entire career has pretty much been defined by one big giant Swiss roadblock.
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that world would definitely be 1000 times better than "world without clay warrior alone"........
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that is about the size of it. the great southern ape (roddick) would easily have had 7-8 slams.

a single trick pony with a rocket serve and poor movement would be in contention with other all time greats.

i am thinking 3-4 wimbledon titles to go with 3-4 u.s. open titles.
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Default Re: A World Without Fed and the Clay Warrior : Where Would the Sport Be Today?

Well... Let's see how the past years would be without these 2.
Let's eliminate the 2 players in the big tournaments.

Let's see the last slams (And WTF) without the 2 gladiators and who would have won them. (Looking for the nearest player who reached the higher round. I know this is quite unfair, but in other way... it isn't).

2005:
AO: Safin
FO: Puerta
WIM: Roddick
USO: Agassi
WTF: Nalbandian

2006:
AO: Baghdatis
FO: Nalbandian/Ljubicic
WIM: Björkman/Baghdatis
USO: Roddick
WTF: Blake

2007:
AO: Gonzalez
FO: Davydenko/Djokovic
WIM: Gasquet/Djokovic
USO: Djokovic
WTF: Ferrer

2008:
AO: Djokovic
FO: Monfils/Djokovic
WIM: Safin/Schuttler
USO: Murray
WTF: Djokovic

2009:
AO: Verdasco/Roddick
FO: Soderling
WIM: Roddick
USO: Del Potro
WTF: Davydenko

2010:
AO: Murray
FO: Soderling
WIM: Berdych
USO: Djokovic
WTF: Djokovic/Murray


Well... This shows us the following position table.

Djokovic would have 3-6 GS. And 1-2 WTF.
Roddick would have 4-5 GS.
Murray would have 2 slams, same as soderling.


Another point of view.
Based in the ATP race, deleting Fed and Nadal these would be the N° 1
2005: Roddick
2006: Davydenko
2007: Djokovic
2008: Djokovic
2009: Djokovic
2010: Djokovic

I take the following conclusions:
There will not be a "supreme leader" like Nadal in 2010 or Fed in 2009, that distance is so much for this "Paralel non Fedal universe".

Djokovic would be a leader. But with not so much points difference with Roddick/Murray.
I think he could lost the N°1 spot and then reaches it again.

In other words:
Sampras and Agassi would be bigger.

I know this stats are not exact cause the winners probably would be others without Fedal, but they're the most we have.
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Berdych winning a slam

2010 Wimbledon would be Murray's
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Interesting question.

It seems that every past "era" has been marked by either a single, clear champion of that era or a huge and heated rivalry. Even if Fed and Nadal didn't exist, there is no reason to belive that this era would be any different.

So, who would this champion be? Or which two would be in this rivalry? Once someone starts winning, it seems like they are hard to dethrone. Who would that person (or heated rivalry) have been in the absence of Fedal?

I'm actually not sure. Wonder if Safin or Nalby might have had very different careers?
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Murray, Djokovic, Soderling, Berdych, Davydenko, Roddick, Monfils, etc. would be pockets full of Slams and the tour would be named the most competitive and high quality in years, by most ridiculous journalists and ex-players geniuses.
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The sport would be just fine.
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(CNN) -- Ahead of the first grand slam tournament of the year, the Australian Open, defending champion Roger Federer has exclusively told CNN's Pedro Pinto that his rivalry with Rafael Nadal is only on the tennis court -- and the pair are good friends when the action stops.

"Some people might think that it's strange. Some other people think its great and it's actually really nice for the sport," Federer said.
"In the past, maybe there have been much tougher and harsher rivalries.

People wouldn't talk to each other, they didn't like each other and they needed to hate each other to actually perform well against each other. But it doesn't need to be that way," he added.

Fierce competition with the Spaniard has not only made both of them better players, Federer says, but also forged a stronger bond between them.

At the end of last year, Nadal accepted the World No.2's invitation to play in the "Match for Africa" in Zurich for the Roger Federer Foundation which funds child development in Africa.

The Swiss won that battle, although Nadal evened things up when the two faced each other in Madrid.

And Federer has carried the good form he showed at the end of 2010 into the new year, already winning the Qatar Open in Doha for the third time in his career.

Federer and Nadal did not face each other in the gulf state, but their paths have crossed 22 times since 2004, with Nadal currently leading the head-to-head 14 victories to eight.

Federer is now turning his attention to the Australian Open in Melbourne, but admits to feeling a few nerves heading into the tournament.

"There's a bit of pressure being the defending champion, but I love going down to Australia; it's a wonderful place to play tennis.

"In the off season I practiced really well, so I feel very confident going into the tournament," Federer added.

Federer's resurgence in form has also given his critics food for thought, with some commentators believing that the 29-year-old's best days were firmly behind him.

"It isn't the first time that I have been written off. It happened when Rafa took the number one spot a couple of years ago," continued Federer.

"But I was able to snatch it back and then people were questioning Rafa when he went nine months without winning a tournament.

"It's disappointing that people have short memories. Even after everything you have done there are those who write you off so quickly.

"It's frustrating to say the least. You walk into press conferences and there is a negative tone in there, when really there is nothing to be negative about.

"Sometimes, I am beaten simply because my opponent has played better than me, but often that fact isn't respected which I don't think is fair."

In addition to his regular backroom team -- which includes the Swiss Davis captain Severin Luthi -- Federer will also draw on the experience of renowned coach Paul Annacone, who he recruited in August last year and has overseen a definite upsurge in Federer's performances.

"I just thought it would be nice to get someone else into my team who comes in with huge experience and comes from a different angle," he said.

So what has Federer learnt from Annacaone, a man who coached Pete Sampras for six years.

"He's obviously told me to play more aggressive, because I did have a tendency to start chipping the backhand return into play just getting the rally started.

"So we've been working on a few key little areas and they seemed to have worked..."
See, even champions like him can acknowledge the fact that someone played better than they did in a particular day, it's nothing to be ashamed of and only tards believe their faves cannot lose if they aren't mentally weakened/injured/tired/sick/etc
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