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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 103 39.31%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.54%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 19 7.25%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.63%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.63%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 18 6.87%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.91%
Nadal 1-2 matches ahead. 1 0.38%
Equal 4 1.53%
Federer ahead 47 17.94%
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:07 PM   #226
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Wake me up with comparisons a-la this when Rogelina wins 3 slams on different surfaces during one year.
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:10 PM   #227
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Awww, if only Grand Slams were played indoors...
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:12 PM   #228
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Wake me up with comparisons a-la this when Rogelina wins 3 slams on different surfaces during one year.
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:39 PM   #229
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Why are you picking on this stat? It's more relevant than virtually any other stat being monotonously posted on this board every other day. It's more relevant than the clay stat which Federer fans swear by. The indoor/outdoor stat is what makes their matchup, it's the difference between winning and losing, and highly relevant if the AO ends up closing the roof
Not really. 2 of those 3 outdoor victories were very close matches, both of which Federer could've easily won just as well, especially Dubai.

Needless to say, it could've easily been 4-0 for Nadal as well, since he was 2 points away from straight sets victory in that Miami final. Bottom line is - given the matchup, it's a toss of a coin on slow outdoor HCs between the two. Whereas indoors Fed has a clear advantage (and Nadal has a clear advantage on clay. Grass is also a toss of the coing in that particular matchup.)

The most important aspect of their HtH is the vast number of matches they played on clay. 12 out of 22 matches - that's over 50%. Even though clay season is really only 2 months a year (I mean clay season where they could potentially meet, since Federer doesn't play on clay outside that timeframe, european clay swing). 12 matches on clay, 10 on all other surfaces combined. That figure speaks volumes.

It needs to be repeated enough times since some tards sound as if they keep forgetting it: if Federer was much WORSE player on clay - frequently losing before finals - he would've likely have positive H2H record vs. Rafa.

Somehow, tardish logic makes them believe that being great on clay - although, of course, not as great as Rafa the clay monster - makes Federer a worse player than he actually is.
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I'll have to go with federer because the skill level of the moonballer is quite low,also he was threated for his kness 2 times within the same year & two weeks later was able to lift up slams thus the core of the matter easy draws n' luck.Also injuries to elite players.
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Wake me up with comparisons a-la this when Rogelina wins 3 slams on different surfaces during one year.
Ever since tennis was invented this has been recognized as the Holy Grail of the sport. Nobody who has failed to achieve this completely non-arbitrary feat can be considered as a candidate for GOAThood.
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Not really. 2 of those 3 outdoor victories were very close matches, both of which Federer could've easily won just as well, especially Dubai.

Needless to say, it could've easily been 4-0 for Nadal as well, since he was 2 points away from straight sets victory in that Miami final. Bottom line is - given the matchup, it's a toss of a coin on slow outdoor HCs between the two. Whereas indoors Fed has a clear advantage (and Nadal has a clear advantage on clay. Grass is also a toss of the coing in that particular matchup.)

The most important aspect of their HtH is the vast number of matches they played on clay. 12 out of 22 matches - that's over 50%. Even though clay season is really only 2 months a year (I mean clay season where they could potentially meet, since Federer doesn't play on clay outside that timeframe, european clay swing). 12 matches on clay, 10 on all other surfaces combined. That figure speaks volumes.

It needs to be repeated enough times since some tards sound as if they keep forgetting it: if Federer was much WORSE player on clay - frequently losing before finals - he would've likely have positive H2H record vs. Rafa.

Somehow, tardish logic makes them believe that being great on clay - although, of course, not as great as Rafa the clay monster - makes Federer a worse player than he actually is.
No, the 3-1 outdoor compared with 0-3 indoor is far more relevant than the clay stat. Because if you take away Federer's indoor dominance then Rafa leads Federer 3-1 on hardcourt and that would mean Rafa has a 75% winning record over Federer on hardcourt, and an 83% winning record over Federer on clay. In other words, if you don't include the indoor results, Rafa dominates Federer on hardcourt the same way he does on clay. And yes the Australian Open was close (or kind of close, very lopsided 5th set) but so were their clay battles, and only Federer's freakishly weak (1/17) breakpoint conversion prevented him from beating Rafa at Roland Garros. So the deciding factor in their h2h isn't the surface, its the weather/lack thereof.
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Ever since tennis was invented this has been recognized as the Holy Grail of the sport. Nobody who has failed to achieve this completely non-arbitrary feat can be considered as a candidate for GOAThood.
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I don't care too much about the regular surface h2h.

What is more important is how these guys can do against each other on the slam h2h. Nadal has owned the clay h2h for slams.

Now we will see who will own the hard court and grass slam h2hs.
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No, the 3-1 outdoor compared with 0-3 indoor is far more relevant than the clay stat. Because if you take away Federer's indoor dominance then Rafa leads Federer 3-1 on hardcourt and that would mean Rafa has a 75% winning record over Federer on hardcourt, and an 83% winning record over Federer on clay. In other words, if you don't include the indoor results, Rafa dominates Federer on hardcourt the same way he does on clay. And yes the Australian Open was close (or kind of close, very lopsided 5th set) but so were their clay battles, and only Federer's freakishly weak (1/17) breakpoint conversion prevented him from beating Rafa at Roland Garros. So the deciding factor in their h2h isn't the surface, its the weather/lack thereof.
You need to learn something about statistics.

The clay has more "observations" hence the validity of saying "Nadal is better than Federer on Clay" is clear.

However, based on 3 observations on hardcourt it really means nothing. To put this into perspective.
Say France vs Germany has played 3 times in past decade. France won 2 out of 3. Is this a clear indication that France is CLEARLY better? Now consider that France and Germany has played 12 times. And France wins 8 times, and Germany 4 times. Then you can say that France is the better team.
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24 yr old apparent GOAT Nadal having 5 weeks off could not beat 29 yr old senior citizen cry baby ballerina Federer at this year's WTF. What a shame!
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