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Old 04-24-2012, 01:14 AM   #46
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Agree about Murray and Ferrer. THey have no weapons and can´t outgrind Rafa. Also more likely neither Ferrer or Murray will make SF. - Ferrer simply can´t get past QF at RG and Murray´s SF last year was thanks to joke draw and pathetic choke from Troicki.

But Murray-Ferrer can wear down Rafa for next match- i would say something like Ferrer-Murray-Nole - QF-SF-F would be worst possible scenario for Rafa- not only for him for anyone - this simlar had Nole at AO when i was worried - he even had Hewitt in R4.

About Delpo- agree

About Isner- i still think he is overrated, his serve is huge, his FH is huge, he has more time on clay, but still until he can beat someone really good on clay-outdoor - Madrid, Rome or RG i don´t think he is such threat. Also that factor - stamina - he either will play long matches-loose sets in first 3 rounds or even relatively fresh he can be wear down in that particular match against RAfa say in 4R. Also last year RAfa was probably mentally down going to RG and wasn´t expecting such match from Isner on clay- who was honestly in horrible form 1st half of 2011. Next time they play i am sure Rafa will have plan and will be prepared, can´t see Isner take more than 1 tie- break from Rafa.
Agree about the first paragraph.

Second, not so much. They will not wear down Rafa because Rafa is very likely to beat them in straight sets. Rafa has faced both several times on clay and barely lost any sets. Those two have virtually nothing to hurt Rafa with on this surface.

About Isner, he's overrated somewhat. But when you have a serve like Isner's, you're always a factor, no two ways about it. On any given day, he can lose to a player outside the top 100, but if his game is clicking, coupled with the serve, he can beat anyone, even Rafa or Nole. I'm sure the top guys can handle Isner on most occasions, but I'm also sure they'd rather not have to deal with him, because if he's fresh and "on" it means trouble, regardless of the surface. Rafa is a more favorable match-up for him than the other top guys because Rafa's top spin forehands go right into his hitting zone.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:22 AM   #47
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del potro choked in 2009 french open vs. federer. he 's never great again in 2012 even though he wins titles against the flakey tsonga.

there's no one except djoker in the next 4 years. even when djoker didn't want to play, he reached 4 of 5 finals. federer had lucky clay, halle/wimbledon & hardcourt wins and needed unhealthy or slumping nadal & djoker when they were age 22/23 to get by semifinals. even the fognini cancellation in the 2011 french open boosted federer's chance to beat a match-starved djoker in the unfriendly atmosphere and muddy clay.
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del potro choked in 2009 french open vs. federer. he 's never great again in 2012 even though he wins titles against the flakey tsonga.

there's no one except djoker in the next 4 years. even when djoker didn't want to play, he reached 4 of 5 finals. federer had lucky clay, halle/wimbledon & hardcourt wins and needed unhealthy or slumping nadal & djoker when they were age 22/23 to get by semifinals. even the fognini cancellation in the 2011 french open boosted federer's chance to beat a match-starved djoker in the unfriendly atmosphere and muddy clay.
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Default Re: Aside from Djokovic who is Nadal's biggest threat on clay?

Del Potro has had very few chances to show his abilities on clay so far : played few tournaments or was out of form.

We will see how he will be this year. RG 2009 was already promising, he was very near to beating Fed in straights.

Filo speaks about Söderling but I definitely see even more potential for Del Potro on clay than Söderling : it's mostly a matter of getting a good physical condition.

Besides, of course Isner and Federer, he was surprisingly still quite near last year. Murray was good last year in Monte-Carlo and has such a potential ... And I would love Almagro to beat Nadal one day on clay
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Realistically, there should be lots of threats. But of course, whenever one of them can even come close to winning or even taking a set against Nadal - they will all choke miserably, especially if it's on clay or a best of 5. Djokovic is the only one who doesn't choke against Nadal nowadays.
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My answer is Del Potro. As I said before, Roland Garros 2012 maybe is best tournament for Del Potro after injury.
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del potro choked in 2009 french open vs. federer. he 's never great again in 2012 even though he wins titles against the flakey tsonga.

there's no one except djoker in the next 4 years. even when djoker didn't want to play, he reached 4 of 5 finals. federer had lucky clay, halle/wimbledon & hardcourt wins and needed unhealthy or slumping nadal & djoker when they were age 22/23 to get by semifinals. even the fognini cancellation in the 2011 french open boosted federer's chance to beat a match-starved djoker in the unfriendly atmosphere and muddy clay.
What's that saying? Blind hate?

To answer the question, does he have one? The last person not named Novak Djokovic to beat him on the dirt was Robin Soderling, and that was nearly three years ago.
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del potro choked in 2009 french open vs. federer. he 's never great again in 2012 even though he wins titles against the flakey tsonga.

there's no one except djoker in the next 4 years. even when djoker didn't want to play, he reached 4 of 5 finals. federer had lucky clay, halle/wimbledon & hardcourt wins and needed unhealthy or slumping nadal & djoker when they were age 22/23 to get by semifinals. even the fognini cancellation in the 2011 french open boosted federer's chance to beat a match-starved djoker in the unfriendly atmosphere and muddy clay.
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Lol at clowns thinking a mug ballbasher Del-Shitro or a servebot Isner are actual threats to Nadal in Paris.
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Lol at clowns thinking a mug ballbasher Del-Shitro or a servebot Isner are actual threats to Nadal in Paris.
this is not about RG only about clay- that means clay Masters 1000 best of 3. For guy like Isner that meamns win 2 tie-breaks instead of 3 and also it means you don´t need such stamina to do it. But i still think Isner is overrated and he won´t beat Rafa, but about Delpo

Did you watched that DC match? it was indoor clay that´s fact, but still Delpo was outhitting Rafa like nothing, but he ran out of gas, now imagine best of 3 match on clay, much much fitter Delpo with better serve,

Actually that match in DC in december if Delpo played NAdal 1st rubber instead of Ferrer and was serving better - free points instead of long rallies on his service games i am convinced Delpo would have won against Nadal in DC that match.
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People are always discounting fitness in tennis. It's not Nadal's fault delpo is a no fitness mug and cant play a long 5 setter. He can ballbash all he wants, at the end of the day its Nadal who comes away with a win. You are always free to bet some real money if they meet. Somehow I don't think you'd bet on delpo.
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right now i am talking to you.

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Biggest threat? His knees
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