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Old 04-13-2012, 08:26 PM   #46
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that is brill news, cus most my faves lose in the 1st round
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this is bullshit. why not just concentrate on the lower ranked players.

why did they have to increase the prize money for the winners? so the inequality remains as far as i am concerned.

what the early round losers get is still not enough.
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So the L'Equipe writer says that Nadal DIDN'T want to strike to get more money for the lower-ranked players which is why he left the Players Council which was threatening to strike?

I was joking about this is another thread saying that Nadal would cross the picket line to play scabs if they ever had a strike at Roland Garros and based on what the article is saying, that seems to be the case. So the strike leader was Federer after all? Fantastic.

ETA: For those who are wondering at all the ROFL smileys, it's because I am literally laughing at this L'Equipe writer and the views espoused in the article. What crazy speculations.
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The Prize money will increase by 7% in Roland-Garros 2012 overall (+1.2 million euros),

with special increases for players losing in early rounds (from the 2nd round of qualifyings to the 3rd round of the main draw) between 10 and 20% (for both men and women). The increase will be 20% for players losing in the first round : from 15.000 to 18.000 euros.

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this is bullshit. why not just concentrate on the lower ranked players.

why did they have to increase the prize money for the winners? so the inequality remains as far as i am concerned.

what the early round losers get is still not enough.
it seems that the slams proposed that to Federer from the article from "L'Equipe" (or is it just the journalist's proposal ?),

but look at Stakhovsky's tweet to Neil Harman :

http://twitter.com/#!/Stako_tennis/s...72415611068417

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Stakhovsky's answer : @NeilHarmanTimes @rolandgarros I hope you didn't mean anyone particular 25 sounds great but 7% overall sound not so great
what Stakhovsky says is that the total of 7% increase for the whole prize money is not enough

because remember how all that started ? a comparison between the share of the players in the earnings of slams comparing to the share of the players in the earnings of ATP tournaments.

Players think the slams (esp. French and American Tennis Federations) keep too much for themselves.

The article from l'Equipe says that this comparison is not fair because slams are not-profittable organizations and give the money back to the tennis organization in the country.

But what this article doesn't say is that only the national federations where slams are located benefit from this money, not federations from other countries,

and that is also seen as unfair by players from other countries.

But once again this article from l'Equipe speaks from the concerns of French Tennis Federation, Forget being appointed by them to protect their interests.

Yesterday, there were many articles in Swiss (French speaking swiss media are always very quick to criticize Federer for everything ) and French media aiming only and precisely at Federer about that topic, using especially Stakhovsky's interview to say that "Federer doesn't protect the interests of lower ranked players" (nobody had spoken of Stakho's interview before) and in the meantime criticizing Federer for being responsible of a possible strike, which is a complete contradiction !!

But these articles didn't mean anything logic, only aiming at the person of Federer.

I don't know if these articles were just written by journalists who do actually have a personal aversion for Federer, or/and if these articles (esp. the one from l'Equipe) were written especially to defend the French tennis Federation's interests by targetting especially Federer, who, as the president of the player's council, could do something on that topic. They could think that makingh a campaign against Federer could be a good way to fight these players' demands. But what's funnhy is that to achieve that, they use some sentences of Stakhovsky's interview ... that is precisely one of the most activists for increasing prize money and strike.

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Seven percent is not enough but it's a good start. It's also a lot better than nothing. If Stakhovsky really wants to do something he should get off of twitter, stop slagging off other men's wives and join the Player's Council. For all of his putdowns of Federer and the council members, they were able to accomplish something that benefited everyone including Stakho's ungrateful ass.
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Seven percent is not enough but it's a good start. It's also a lot better than nothing. If Stakhovsky really wants to do something he should get off of twitter, stop slagging off other men's wives and join the Player's Council. For all of his putdowns of Federer and the council members, they were able to accomplish something that benefited everyone including Stakho's ungrateful ass.
You get voted on the Players Council, you should know that. It's not about point scoring, they have something to work from.
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it seems that the slams proposed that to Federer from the article from "L'Equipe" (or is it just the journalist's proposal ?),
Don't know if it is from the journalist or not, but the solution was to take the money from the QF and beyond to give it to the first rounds, in conclusion no increase of the whole prize money. No way players were going to accept that.

Here's another french article, qualies are getting 12,5% more and the winner 4%. Also Ysern, RG's director, disagrees with the players stating they only receive 11-13% from the Slams, and says last year during RG they already gave 27% of their benefits.

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«Grogne des tennismen», nouvel épisode. A quelques semaines des tournois de Roland-Garros et de Wimbledon, le serpent de mer d'une grève des manieurs de raquette refait surface. Les organisateurs du tournoi français ont annoncé, jeudi, une hausse de 7% de la dotation versée aux joueurs. Objectif : tempérer la colère des «petits», qui s'estiment lésés par la répartition des gains, essentiellement concentrés sur le Top 4 mondial (Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer, Andy Murray). Le point sur l'affaire.

Quand a commencé la fronde ?

Elle remonte à l'US Open 2011, un des quatre tournois du Grand Chelem. Malgré une météo désastreuse, les organisateurs continuent à programmer des matchs, pour ne pas avoir à rembourser le public. Colère des joueurs. Rafael Nadal monte au créneau : «C’est toujours la même histoire…Ils [les organisateurs, ndlr] ne pensent qu’au fric. Les tournois du Grand Chelem ont trop de pouvoir et ils ne se soucient pas des joueurs. Je sais qu'il y a différents intérêts qui gravitent autour, mais les choses ne sont pas justes.» Les critiques se concentrent alors sur le calendrier du circuit professionnel, que beaucoup jugent trop chargé.

Juste avant le début de l'Open d'Australie 2012, les joueurs se réunissent dans un hôtel de Melbourne. Les «petits» sont en colère et brandissent à nouveau la menace d'une grève. Roger Federer, président de l'association des joueurs, reste d'une prudence de Suisse : «La grève, c'est un mot dangereux à utiliser. C'est pour ça que je dis toujours : essayons de l'éviter autant que possible.» L'Espagnol Nadal le tacle gentiment: «Il finit sa carrière comme une rose parce qu'il est privilégié physiquement. Mais ni [Andy] Murray, ni [Novak] Djokovic ni moi ne finirons frais comme une rose.» Pourtant, la question s'est cette fois déplacée de la seule question du calendrier à celle de la répartition des rémunérations.

Quelles sont les revendications ?

Le ventre mou des joueurs professionnels estiment que les sommes (les prize money) qui leur sont versées lors des tournois du Grand Chelem sont insuffisantes. Selon eux, 11 à 13% des revenus générés atterrissent dans leur poche, contre 30% pour les autres tournois du circuit professionnel. Un chiffre contesté par Gilbert Ysern, directeur du tournoi de Roland-Garros : «En 2011, on a reversé 27% de nos bénéfices aux joueurs.» Autre grief : le fait que les quatre extraterrestres du haut du classement ATP raflent une grosse partie des gains distribués sur le circuit (30% en 2011, du jamais vu). Sans oublier qu'ils s'accaparent aussi une part importante des revenus de sponsoring (Federer, par exemple, touche 10 millions de dollars - 7,65 millions d'euros - annuels de son équipementier Nike), laissant aux joueurs moyens la portion congrue.

Certes, les tennismen professionnels ne sont pas à plaindre. Mais au-delà de la 100e place au classement mondial, les «petits» disent galérer : billets d'avion, chambres d'hôtel, entraîneurs et soigneurs à rémunérer... autant de frais qui pèsent sur le porte-monnaie. «L'enchaînement Indian Wells-Miami me coûte de l'argent [...]. Etre 100e mondial de son sport, ce n'est pourtant pas rien, racontait il y a peu l'Ukrainien Sergueï Stakhovsky (classé 71e à l'ATP). Même le 100e footballeur ukrainien gagne plus que moi.»

Une enquête du quotidien américain USA Today publiée en mars a montré que les écarts de revenus entre joueurs du Top 100 n'ont jamais été aussi grands depuis le début des années 90. En 2011, le coefficient de Gini mesurant cette disparité s'élevait à 0,428, quand il n'était que de 0,324 en 1990. Petit mode d'emploi : un coefficient de Gini de 1 siginifie qu'une seule personne concentre toute la richesse, un coefficient de 0 que celle-ci est également répartie entre chacun.

Enfin, les «petits» signalent que les gains distribués dans le circuit Challenger (la deuxième division du tennis mondial, pour les joueurs classés au-delà de la 100e place) ont augmenté moins vite que dans le circuit ATP (la première division) au cours des vingt dernières années. Certains joueurs modestes reconnaissent cependant que le rôle de locomotives joué par les têtes d'affiche est indispensable. «Vous ne pouvez pas toujours blâmer les gens qui vendent les billets des matchs auquel vous participez», confiait ainsi l'Américain Ryan Harrison à USA Today.

Une grève est-elle plausible ?

Pas vraiment. Tout comme les footballeurs, qui en avaient fait planer la menace par le passé (lors de la suppression de l'avantage fiscal du DIC en 2009), sans jamais passer à l'acte, on n'a pas l'impression que les tennismen soient devenus de dangereux gauchistes prêts à se lancer dans un mouvement collectif d'ampleur. Le Canadien Milos Raonic a beau jouer le fier à bras - «Pourquoi continue-t-on à vendre des billets à Roland-Garros ou à Wimbledon alors qu’on n’est pas sûr que ces tournois se disputent ?» - le directeur du tournoi parisien reste optimiste. «On n'est pas du tout inquiet, confie Gilbert Ysern. On a entendu les doléances des joueurs et on a voulu réduire l'écart entre les prix remis aux joueurs éliminés tôt et ceux qui vont plus loin.»

De fait, la dotation qui sera fournie aux joueurs en 2012 est en hausse de 7%, s'élevant à 18,718 millions d'euros. L'effort s'est concentré sur la masse de joueurs anonymes. La dotation pour un(e) jou-eur(-euse) éliminé(e) au premier tour des simples sera augmentée de 20% (18 000 euros), quand celle du vainqueur ne connaîtra qu'une hausse de 4% (1 250 000 euros). Des hausses de 12,5% ont aussi été décidées pour l'étape des qualifications (la phase antérieure au tournoi, qui vise à donne un ticket aux joueurs situés au-delà du top 100).

Ce coup de pouce suffira-t-il à calmer la colère des frondeurs ? «C'est vrai que le modèle du tennis est un peu particulier, reconnaît Ysern. Il y a toujours eu une forte concentration des prix et des ressources sur un petit nombre de joueurs, un phénomène exacerbé aujourd'hui.» La bonne santé économique du tennis professionnel (en 2011, le tournoi parisien a dégagé un bénéfice net après investissements de 47,5 millions d'euros) pourrait inciter à une meilleure répartition. Certains joueurs souhaitent s'inspirer des ligues sportives américaines pour récupérer davantage de revenus. Un modèle qui ne convainc pas Gilbert Ysern: «Il ne faut pas oublier que la fédération française ne gagne pas d'argent avec les bénéfices du tournoi. Elle reverse dans le tennis français tout ce qu'elle gagne, et qui représente d'ailleurs l'essentiel de ses ressources.» Le monde associatif tient donc grâce à cette redistribution de haut en bas. Et la division du milieu des joueurs professionnels - notamment la guéguerre qui oppose les membres du Top 4 - devrait rendre d'autant plus compliquée une remise à plat du système.
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You get voted on the Players Council, you should know that. It's not about point scoring, they have something to work from.
Yes, I do know that they get voted on the Players Council. My point is that if Stakho has his grievances and he feels so strongly about them then he should run for a position in the council during the next elections. Gonzalez is retired, Nadal's gone and there are other positions opening up when the next term begins. If he's not happy with seven percent from the FFT, he's perfectly welcome to run.

The guy has a legitimate point about compensation but there are better ways to get it across than saying his wife's hotter than Federer's or some other juvenile way. He's also getting a little unhinged on twitter right now.
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Yes, I do know that they get voted on the Players Council. My point is that if Stakho has his grievances and he feels so strongly about them then he should run for a position in the council during the next elections. Gonzalez is retired, Nadal's gone and there are other positions opening up when the next term begins. If he's not happy with seven percent from the FFT, he's perfectly welcome to run.

The guy has a legitimate point about compensation but there are better ways to get it across than saying his wife's hotter than Federer's or some other juvenile way. He's also getting a little unhinged on twitter right now.
He might run for election, he might not. He can do what he wants and as for his views, he is free to air them and others are free to disagree with them. As for being unhinged in any form, not even close you are showing exaggeritis yet again. It's not his fault people aren't smart enough to look at things in context and not suit their own agenda.

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Interesting point you have there about the "exaggeritis" which was derived from me calling Stakho's tweets a "little unhinged". This is, of course, after he has gotten into a slagging match with a fan and essentially pulled the very mature trick of "my wife is hotter than your wife" to settle an argument on twitter.

Care to expand on that assessment, or do we delve into matters nontennis which seems to be the real root of the problem here?
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Interesting point you have there about the "exaggeritis" which was derived from me calling Stakho's tweets a "little unhinged". This is, of course, after he has gotten into a slagging match with a fan and essentially pulled the very mature trick of "my wife is hotter than your wife" to settle an argument on twitter.

Care to expand on that assessment, or do we delve into matters nontennis which seems to be the real root of the problem here?
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Did Sergiy diss Mirka on Twitter?

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A bunch of butthurt Fed fools who can't handle anyone making a criticism of Federer whether it's valid or not attack the guy saying stupid stuff like it doesn't matter what you think as you are a journeyman to Stakhovsky. Not actually addressing the particular issue.

For the record I don't agree with everything he has said, but at least he has done his research on the particular problems involved.

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Default Re: Prize money increases in French Open 2012

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Originally Posted by Clay Death View Post
this is bullshit. why not just concentrate on the lower ranked players.

why did they have to increase the prize money for the winners? so the inequality remains as far as i am concerned.

what the early round losers get is still not enough.
Not enough?

These low level players don't do anything other than play a simple game.
Even that money comes from someone .
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