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Old 03-17-2012, 05:14 PM   #241
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a) It's 8-2 in the last 10 matches, not 9-1
b) Prime Nadal is not 2011 onwards only - his peak is probably summer 2008-early 2009 and as for the prime it's probably 2008 to now with dips in between.
c) Nadal has always had an equal or winning record against Federer - even when he was 17 and even during Fed's 2004-2007 hegemony days. Novak still does not lead the H2H (I'm sure he will get there soon) even having played 30 matches. So to compare the Fedal and Rafole matchups is silly - they've had different dynamics.

Nadal won his US Open final & Olympics semi (in effect the final) against the guy who for him is the worst HC match up -Djokovic. Fed couldn't beat Rafa at the French and (credit to him) capitalised when Rafa wasn't there. Rafa also beat the best on grass, Federer, to get his first Wimbledon. All of this just shows that Nadal has done admirably in both his main rivalries. Losing to Novak so many times (primarily on Hard Courts) is nothing to be ashamed off and he's also won 16 times.
exceptional post by you Ash86.

but why bother explaining all this to luie for he is already married to nadal. and accordingly, he knows everything about nadal.
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where is the turkey? nole is only 14-16 and he still needs 12 straight wins to make rafa a turkey.....as a matter of FACT, nole was nadal's turkey for a brief period when it was 14-4 to nadal.....
I was speaking of Prime turkey . Novak is on a 9-1 run against nadull from 2009. They are both in their primes 11 months apart . Nadull beat a young Novak with a lot of medical issues once Novak matured its curtains for nadull , despite a 2 day rest he can't be a hapless Novak , similar to fed against nadull . The so called rivalry is headed in one direction , nadull has no wagers to hide.
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there's no shame in getting owned by nadal, or djokovic or federer for that matter. however, historically speaking it does eliminate fed from goat contention as no goat in any individual sport was ever totally dominated by their historic rival. h2h means less to nadal as he remains in the 2nd or 3rd tier of all-time greats and is not a goat contender.
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a) It's 8-2 in the last 10 matches, not 9-1
b) Prime Nadal is not 2011 onwards only - his peak is probably summer 2008-early 2009 and as for the prime it's probably 2008 to now with dips in between.
c) Nadal has always had an equal or winning record against Federer - even when he was 17 and even during Fed's 2004-2007 hegemony days. Novak still does not lead the H2H (I'm sure he will get there soon) even having played 30 matches. So to compare the Fedal and Rafole matchups is silly - they've had different dynamics.

Nadal won his US Open final & Olympics semi (in effect the final) against the guy who for him is the worst HC match up -Djokovic. Fed couldn't beat Rafa at the French and (credit to him) capitalised when Rafa wasn't there. Rafa also beat the best on grass, Federer, to get his first Wimbledon. All of this just shows that Nadal has done admirably in both his main rivalries. Losing to Novak so many times (primarily on Hard Courts) is nothing to be ashamed off and he's also won 16 times.
Negative . Nadull took advantage of a weak Novak physically to grind out his wins. Once he matured it was over for the moonballer . Nadull has no where to hide not even clay .Nadull "domination" is clay based.
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I was speaking of Prime turkey . Novak is on a 9-1 run against nadull from 2009. They are both in their primes 11 months apart . Nadull beat a young Novak with a lot of medical issues once Novak matured its curtains for nadull , despite a 2 day rest he can't be a hapless Novak , similar to fed against nadull . The so called rivalry is headed in one direction , nadull has no wagers to hide.


Just because that's the age gap doesn't mean it's also their prime difference. Nadal was an early bloomer and Djokovic a normal/late bloomer.

And Rafa won USO 2010 and WTF 2010 against Novak
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there's no shame in getting owned by nadal, or djokovic or federer for that matter. however, historically speaking it does eliminate fed from goat contention as no goat in any individual sport was ever totally dominated by their historic rival. h2h means less to nadal as he remains in the 2nd or 3rd tier of all-time greats and is not a goat contender.
It is certanly difficult to call Federer the GOAT because of various reasons, but it is difficult to call any tennis player a GOAT, even Laver have some good arguments against him, like beeing dominated by Rosewall and Gonzalea until they turned 30 and also both amateur slams and pro slams are just not comparable to open era slams.

There is no clear GOAT in tennis, but it seems to be between Federer and Laver as other players have even more faults in their resume (Borg and Rosewall closely behind).
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let the pathetic and mindless blind hate flow freely. i mean why bother trying to enjoy the sport.

it is clear he has ruined you daily existence because he is all you ever talk about 24/7. he has turned you into a sad, pathetic sore loser who is forever crying "sour grapes."

why not try something different: block him out of your mind and stay away from any thread that has his name on it.

oh wait. that is not going to work either because no matter what kind of a thread it is, you will bring nadal with you.

its hopless.
why dont you ask Raferminator the same question?
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why dont you ask Raferminator the same question?
because she is hardly here and she is not married to nadal. its luie who is married to nadal.

that said, bring here here and i will be glad to ridiculize (no such word by the way) her.
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Just because that's the age gap doesn't mean it's also their prime difference. Nadal was an early bloomer and Djokovic a normal/late bloomer.

And Rafa won USO 2010 and WTF 2010 against Novak
The age gap is relevant because they are 5 years apart , that's like a whole era. Like Sampras and Agassi it's more age related. As nadull enters his prime fed is way past his, so nadull "tool" advantage of a declining fed the same way , fish/steps/karlovic/Roddick/ Simon/Novak . Etc for pusher simug at the time all were his pigeons. So nadull together with the rest of the tour started beating federer .post 27 years .
In contrast nadull , he has only lost to Novak in quite a while so Novak is taking it him , nadull is not natural king decling. Nadull started losing consistently to novak 23-25
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because she is hardly here and she is not married to nadal. its luie who is married to nadal.

that said, bring here here and i will be glad to ridiculize (no such word by the way) her.
Nadull already has a husband and master I am afraid and his name is Novak, there is no place for me. Nadull already has his pink dress and lube for Sunday.
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It is certanly difficult to call Federer the GOAT because of various reasons, but it is difficult to call any tennis player a GOAT, even Laver have some good arguments against him, like beeing dominated by Rosewall and Gonzalea until they turned 30 and also both amateur slams and pro slams are just not comparable to open era slams.
laver had the h2h advantage over rosewall every year except 1963, his 1st full year on the pro circuit. he dominated rosewall in '64 and '65 and held the career h2h advantage over both rosewall and gonzales.
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Nadull is bi. ( he gives it to fed and takes it from nole)
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True - fed never Dominated nadull of ever had a winning record against him even though nadull was a teenage when the rivalry started . However tennis is a surface sport .
Nadull is the clay GOAT or top 2 in the open era. So it's logical he would defeat federer.
During A players tradition prime fed was 6-8 against nadull .
And 5-2 off clay so it was respectable on neutral / Feds better surface.
Nadull is still in his Prime and he is 9-1 against Novak in their last 10 matches . So nadull dominate young/ medical issue djokovic. When Novak matured he is owning nadull.
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Novak will enjoy PRIME turkey , while nadull will enjoy OLD turkey. Nadull has no one to blame but himself for getting own at 23-25 years.
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Ha ha nadull went on a 5-0 run against fed in 2008 when fed was 27 years .
Fed started losing to his turkeys during that time frame fish n steps(tunder lips) etc. nadull simply took advantage of a declining fed. While Novak is on a 9-1 run against nadull starting from 2009 .
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Nadull already has a husband and master I am afraid and his name is Novak, there is no place for me. Nadull already has his pink dress and lube for Sunday.
luie, you need to diversify your posting portfolio into a variety of tennis sectors. you're far too obsessed with 'nadull'.
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laver had the h2h advantage over rosewall every year except 1963, his 1st full year on the pro circuit. he dominated rosewall in '64 and '65 and held the career h2h advantage over both rosewall and gonzales.
Laver was younger than Rosewall n pancho so is natural when they got up in age laver took over. Rosewall n pancho owned laver when he turned pro before they declined and he took over the rivalry.
In lavers time many didn't accept the diminutive laver as GOAT , the experts where saying he would be owned by Pancho , based on a 10 dollar match and old pancho won against laver. Personally I think laver edges fed but there will alway be debate and nothing definitive .
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allpro: that is because some people are married to the clay warrior.

lucky guy this dude named nadal. he has so many wives.
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a) It's 8-2 in the last 10 matches, not 9-1
b) Prime Nadal is not 2011 onwards only - his peak is probably summer 2008-early 2009 and as for the prime it's probably 2008 to now with dips in between.
c) Nadal has always had an equal or winning record against Federer - even when he was 17 and even during Fed's 2004-2007 hegemony days. Novak still does not lead the H2H (I'm sure he will get there soon) even having played 30 matches. So to compare the Fedal and Rafole matchups is silly - they've had different dynamics.

Nadal won his US Open final & Olympics semi (in effect the final) against the guy who for him is the worst HC match up -Djokovic. Fed couldn't beat Rafa at the French and (credit to him) capitalised when Rafa wasn't there. Rafa also beat the best on grass, Federer, to get his first Wimbledon. All of this just shows that Nadal has done admirably in both his main rivalries. Losing to Novak so many times (primarily on Hard Courts) is nothing to be ashamed off and he's also won 16 times.
nadal won djokovic in hard when djoko was far of his peak , maybe his victory in olympics it`s true , but in 2010 was the worst djokovic , much worst that in 2007 , 2008 and 2009.

nadal dominated federer in his peak but only in clay , nadal it`s 5 years more younger and he started to won federer outside clay in 2008 when nadal had his peak and federer his worst year and started with his decline that year , he never defeated peak federer outside clay and even with that federer always push to the limits in finals ( wimbledon 2008 5 sets , australia 2009 )

maybe rafa had take advantage of past peak federer and pre-peak nole to won his titles outside clay , by the way too that the surfaces were more slow after 2007...
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