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Old 03-14-2012, 09:01 PM   #46
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Only one-hander that would be effective against Nadal would be Muhammad Ali's one-hander.
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So you think every one-hander before current era was worse than todays? Best one-handed backhands are from previous eras, but speculating their success against Nadal´s forehand is rather pointless, since Nadal´s heavy spin is made possible by todays equipment, and previous eras didn´t face that kind of shots.

As for Corretja, he was way past his prime by the time he played Nadal.
No, I dont think every one hander in previous era is worse than today's, when did I say that? I said there are better one handers around than Corretja's in this era and yes, they need to deal with 3000 rpm jumping over your shoulder, raquets which produce more spin than they ever did before.

Yes, Corretja was past his peak when he beat Nadal, Costa wasnt really far from his peak so he cant have this excuse losing to a 16 year old Nadal. I think Costa, Corretja and Kuerten clearly had the best onehanded backhands in the late 90s claycourts and the little evidence we have is that a 16 year old Nadal was already causing them trouble.

Kuerten had a magnificent backhand but poor movement, he used to push everyone around on claycourts but against Nadal he would lose the point as soon as Nadal gets a grip of the point with his forehand, I dont think Kuerten would be able to turn defense to offense against Nadal, I dont think Nadal would be a very good matchup for him at all, which would be sad because I really was a fan of Guga, not of Nadal's tennis.
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nobody.....closest would be guga.....nadal is the greatest destroyer of single handers in the history of tennis.....it's so ignorant of people to try portray his unique forehand as a bad match up for single handers on the tour.....how many lefties can hit their forehands like nadal? no one......nadal's tennis is unique.....
Nadal would have more trouble against himself than most players with one-handed backhands. It's not a 1 vs 2-handed thing. Extreme topspin gives most backhands trouble. Nadal gives Murray, Tsonga, Roddick, Monfils, and many other players huge problems on their backhand wings. On the flip size, Gasquet, Almagro, Wawrinka, Kohly, Youzhny, and even Federer, handle it fairly well. Nadal's backhand is a weakness. A vast majority of players have much better forehands than backhands. A backhand weakness does not appear just because Nadal breaks it down.

I've said it a 1000 times, Federer's trouble with Nadal isn't so much his backhand. He handles that wing just fine. His problem is Nadal's quickness and court coverage. Federer is forced to play very aggressively with his groundstrokes (low percentage) and becomes tentative with his approaches because of Nadal's ability to pass on the run. Nadal on the other hand doesn't have to come far out of his comfort zone. If Nadal wasn't so effective with his backhand pass, Federer would dominate this matchup in my opinion. In most of Federer's losses you can pinpoint a game or a point where Nadal took control with one or more spectacular backhand passing shots. It happens almost every match.
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Kuerten's backhand handled peak Ferrero's heavy forehand on clay. That gives you some idea of how it would have been against Nadal.
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Kuerten's backhand handled peak Ferrero's heavy forehand on clay. That gives you some idea of how it would have been against Nadal.
Bearing in mind Nadal probably hits 3-4x as much topspin as Ferrero, no it doesn't.
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Only one-hander that would be effective against Nadal would be Muhammad Ali's one-hander.
Tsonga's one-hander is a fluke... won't be stable enough..

On a serious note : choosing from active guys I'd rather go with Wawrinka, I remember when his BH held exceptionally well against Rafa about 3 years ago on some of these (IW or Miami) tournaments, although it was still not enough to get a set, lol.. 6-7 6-7 in 2 hours and 40 minutes if I am not mistaken
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Default Re: Whose one-hander would you pick against Nadal's forehand?

gugas because of his height

only reason the 1 hander breaks down for federer is because its over his shoulders and out of his comfort zone

technically gasquets perfect technnique could handle nadal's forehand but richie isnt there mentally



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Default Re: Whose one-hander would you pick against Nadal's forehand?

Actually the way the rest of the game fits in is an important consideration. Hard to pick just one shot. For example, Gasquet plays against the Nadal forehand by taking the ball very far back, he can do it because of his power and technique on that side but it leads to great problems for him on the forehand. Further, for anyone wishing to play an aggressive game, this would be out of the question. I think Youzhny's BH has held up well and dealt with the high ball well on hardcourts when he was in his prime.
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Nadal would have more trouble against himself than most players with one-handed backhands. It's not a 1 vs 2-handed thing. Extreme topspin gives most backhands trouble. Nadal gives Murray, Tsonga, Roddick, Monfils, and many other players huge problems on their backhand wings. On the flip size, Gasquet, Almagro, Wawrinka, Kohly, Youzhny, and even Federer, handle it fairly well. Nadal's backhand is a weakness. A vast majority of players have much better forehands than backhands. A backhand weakness does not appear just because Nadal breaks it down.

I've said it a 1000 times, Federer's trouble with Nadal isn't so much his backhand. He handles that wing just fine. His problem is Nadal's quickness and court coverage. Federer is forced to play very aggressively with his groundstrokes (low percentage) and becomes tentative with his approaches because of Nadal's ability to pass on the run. Nadal on the other hand doesn't have to come far out of his comfort zone. If Nadal wasn't so effective with his backhand pass, Federer would dominate this matchup in my opinion. In most of Federer's losses you can pinpoint a game or a point where Nadal took control with one or more spectacular backhand passing shots. It happens almost every match.
the thing is nadal's forehand has the most endurance.....i think i will agree with some of what you said.....fed can hold up against rafa's forehand pretty well but only till the point he has to make the next move.....that's when his problems arise.....

nadal is just quicker than fed and defends better than him.....so fed is forced to play high risk tennis time and again which is not his thing.....and it's just sad that nadal's strengths(footspeed and insane topspin) are attributed to bad match up, but we can forgive them as they are clueless anyway......

most single handers have serious issues with nadal's forehand because once again it's the endurance coupled with his ability to move better than his opponent.....that allows him to pin anyone to the backhand corner and dictate all day with his forehand.....nobody does that better than nadal.....
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Fed have to play ultra-agressive tennis to beat Nadal, what isn´t possible to do always. 12-2 on clay or so ...

But when conditions are right for Fed and he has his day, Nadal hasn´t got a chance.
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gugas because of his height
it's not because of height alone......guga's technique was such that it was more safe, utterly consistent and had power to go with it as well......guga's down the line was ripper which was his trademark shot......fed's down the line is absolute shit compared to kuerten's......
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it's not because of height alone......guga's technique was such that it was more safe, utterly consistent and had power to go with it as well......guga's down the line was ripper which was his trademark shot......fed's down the line is absolute shit compared to kuerten's......
Affirmative Shankar. Most players down the line backhand is shit compared to Guga's, and Federer's doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same stratosphere.
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concurred.....out of the current single handers, gasquet has decent finishing power down the line and haas had good control on the shot as well.....just that both are too weak with their other wing.....
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