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View Poll Results: Murray gives too much respect to Federer and Nadal on COurt

Yes I entirely agree 10 34.48%
No way he is inferior to them 12 41.38%
Giving too much Respect to them is Obvious. He cannot escape that 7 24.14%
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:32 PM   #16
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What evidence do you have of him not being good enough?
the results ?
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:42 PM   #17
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the results ?
Results and being good enough are two seperate entities.

And let's not forget how lucky Djokovic, Nadal and Federer were in their 1st Grand Slam:

Federer gets Mark Philippoussis, ranked 48. His 2nd he gets Marat Safin, ranked 96th.
Nadal gets Mariano Puerta, ranked 37th.
Djokovic gets Tsonga, ranked 38th.

Murrays gets anywhere near as much luck as them and he'd have 3+ slams by now.
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Federer gets Mark Philippoussis, ranked 48. His 2nd he gets Marat Safin, ranked 96th.
Nadal gets Mariano Puerta, ranked 37th.
Djokovic gets Tsonga, ranked 38th.

Murrays gets anywhere near as much luck as them and he'd have 3+ slams by now.
Well, Novak maybe got Tsonga, but you forget before that he had to beat Federer in the semis. Murray got Cilic and Ferrer in AO semis before his two finals, being more lucky that that would probably mean not facing a single top 10 on the way to the trophy. Not very likely
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murray should develop a forehand that is more dangerous than that of a wta player.
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Well, Novak maybe got Tsonga, but you forget before that he had to beat Federer in the semis. Murray got Cilic and Ferrer in AO semis before his two finals, being more lucky that that would probably mean not facing a single top 10 on the way to the trophy. Not very likely
I get what you are saying but Andy Murray still had to beat Rafael Nadal twice in two serperate majors, even if Nadal pulled out injured towards the end of one, he still had to be beaten. And more importantly, the finals are always going to be alot easier than the semi's. I think the ranking of the opponent in the final is alot more important than the players you face elsewhere in the draw.

Soderling beat Rafa at the French Open. Usually you would think that that feat would be deserving of the title, but he later faced Roger Federer in the final.

I'm not trying to make excuses for Andy Murray as not winning a set out of 9 in slam finals is criminal, but he has been unlucky in the quest for his first, and contrary to popular of belief he quite clearly IS good enough to win a slam(s).
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murray should develop a forehand that is more dangerous than that of a wta player.
What, like your forehand?
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As for the ones who say that Murray is a defensive Player. Well the Best Results Murray has like his win over nadal in the US Open and Bagelling him in Japan or his wins over Djokovic and Federer, He has always taken the ball early and went for the opposition. His game is very tactical and he outsmarts his opponents and at the end of the point there is a killer forehand or a backhand waiting. This is his natural Game.

Outsmart the opponent tactically and then unleash a point Ending Forehand and backhand winner. He is no Defensive Player.
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Soderling beat Rafa at the French Open. Usually you would think that that feat would be deserving of the title, but he later faced Roger Federer in the final.

I'm not trying to make excuses for Andy Murray as not winning a set out of 9 in slam finals is criminal, but he has been unlucky in the quest for his first, and contrary to popular of belief he quite clearly IS good enough to win a slam(s).
Yea, well, there are a bunch of other players who were far more unlucky - Roddick was within inches from winning Wimbledon; Murray is a great player, but to be honest, so far he wasn't even close to win a slam in his big matches, three finals and three blowouts.
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Results and being good enough are two seperate entities.

And let's not forget how lucky Djokovic, Nadal and Federer were in their 1st Grand Slam:

Federer gets Mark Philippoussis, ranked 48. His 2nd he gets Marat Safin, ranked 96th.
Nadal gets Mariano Puerta, ranked 37th.
Djokovic gets Tsonga, ranked 38th.

Murrays gets anywhere near as much luck as them and he'd have 3+ slams by now.
silly. no luck man, skills. Djok played out of his mind at the AO 08. same with Rog and Nadal when they played their first majors. As much as I love Murray he is, unfortunately. not good enough... nothing to do with luck. I can only hope that he will get there, but it ain't gonna be easy if he has to go trough Nole, Rog or Rafa. He lost too many important matches to them. There is a good reason why the are multiple GS winners.
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silly. no luck man, skills. Djok played out of his mind at the AO 08. same with Rog and Nadal when they played their first majors. As much as I love Murray he is, unfortunately. not good enough... nothing to do with luck. I can only hope that he will get there, but it ain't gonna be easy if he has to go trough Nole, Rog or Rafa. He lost too many important matches to them. There is a good reason why the are multiple GS winners.
I still don't see any reason for people saying he isn't good enough?

18 Months ago Djokovic wasn't good enough to win another slam and he looked to be a one-slam wonder. If Djokovic can propel his game to this level, there's no reason Murray can't, in terms of their game they are about equal. Djokovic does some things better than Murray, Murray does some things better than Djkovic (Serve, Volleying).

I'm not saying Djokovic was lucky, but had Murray gotten, Puerta, Tsonga etc. in one of his finals he'd have atleast one by now and probably more.
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Who gives a rat's behind. He ain't good enough, regardless of any excuses. End of story.
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Once he does that there is no reason he cant be a Multiple Grand Slam Winner.

He gives too much respect to Federer and Nadal. I have a feeling that once he steps on the Court with them he starts somehow playing submissively and below par.

Once he removes from his mind about the Aura of Federer and Nadal he can play onm equal terms with them and beat them on important stages of a Tournament, which has been his bane so far.
Thank you for your output. Murray is playing above his talent. He should return to futures.
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About Murray.

He has the game, this we know. He has wins over Fed, Nadal, and Djokovic over the years in various tournaments, mostly best of 3. His fitness and endurance really isn't a problem, I think he is up to the level of Nadal/Djokovic, but mentally, no way.

Sometimes it is good to be an asshole, at least in your game style. Aggressive, I don't give a fuck who is on the other side of the net type of mentality.

Djokovic for years was stuck at #3 in the world. Even back in 2006, Djokovic was talking about how beatable Nadal is on clay, being in control of the RG match in 06. Everyone thought he was crazy, but who's laughing now?

Murray does need to stop giving such respect, and start acting like the throne is his. Only in this way will he be able to get a slam, maybe get to #1.
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@all the fools trashtalking murray

murray is rising.....he finished playing his best slam of his career so far just few weeks ago.....watch him get better from now on.....losing matches to clowns at insignificant events is not a sign of hopelessness, it's actually a sign of where his focus is these days.....

he has won several masters 1000s, so the focus now lies elsewhere i.e., at the slams.....i don't think he will try too hard for miami either.....if he happens to find himself in a semifinal there, then he might fight for the title.....
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Nadal gets Mariano Puerta, ranked 37th.
Djokovic gets Tsonga, ranked 38th.

Murrays gets anywhere near as much luck as them and he'd have 3+ slams by now.
Nadal and Djokovic had to beat Federer in the SF of those slams(FO 2005 and AO 2008) when Federer was ranked #1.
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