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Old 03-08-2012, 08:25 AM   #16
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Coulda, shoulda, woulda. This is a facepalm worthy comment and I say that as a Federer fan.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:27 AM   #17
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Fed is right, nothing strange here
Fast court, Arthur Ashe stadium deal with it
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:32 AM   #18
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Default Re: Fed: If I'd won US Open 10/11 semis I'd have won at least one of the finals

He is joking right? Only thing that would change is that he would get more points to ranking and Rafa would have 1 more slam if 2011 was that F betwen them.

2010- there is not much to say, Rafa playing good HC tennis and serving better than ever, Roger wouldn´t beat him
2011- Rafa looked worse, but still was solid enough, lost only 1 set to Murray in his route to F, also USO 2011 was slowest ever, so i predict that match could been similar to AO 2012, 3-1 for Rafa.

He really thinks he can beat either super serving NAdal 2010 or on that slow USO 2011?
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Default Re: Fed: If I'd won US Open 10/11 semis I'd have won at least one of the finals

Nadal had the biggest joke DRAW known to man in 2010 and the courts were still fast ( love how people overrate Nadal's serve and HC form then). Roger would have put up a hell of a better fight then exhausted Nole 1.0 did.

2011 clay edition it was actually the best that could happen that Nole won the semi. Fed should never have lost the final vs Delpo though that was the epic Fail.
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Default Re: Fed: If I'd won US Open 10/11 semis I'd have won at least one of the finals

We will never know about Mr. Federer's chances that year, or the year after, but I think his statement is a fair enough conjecture, considering his overall record at the US Open. Still, he had match points in both semis, especially 2011 on his serve, and lost, so he missed the opportunity to find out how he would have done, and does become a coulda, woulda, shoulda speculation.

Mr. Nadal's did get an easy draw in 2010, but his performance in the 2010 US Open Final was definitely good enough to beat Mr. Djokovic.
It was a very mysterious enhanced performance from him, especially regarding his service.
His 1st service speed in the 2010 Final AVERAGED a near miraculous 126 mph, which is 19 mph higher than his average 1st service speed in the 2011 Final.
He's come nowhere close to that speed since. Why?

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masterclass, what are you insinuating?
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If Fed can't beat Djokovic in a tournament, no way in hell he's beating Nadal.
If Nadal can beat Djokovic in a tournament, no way in hell he's losing to Federer.
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If Fed can't beat Djokovic in a tournament, no way in hell he's beating Nadal.
If Nadal can beat Djokovic in a tournament, no way in hell he's losing to Federer.
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We will never know about Mr. Federer's chances that year, or the year after, but I think his statement is a fair enough conjecture, considering his overall record at the US Open. Still, he had match points in both semis, especially 2011 on his serve, and lost, so he missed the opportunity to find out how he would have done, and does become a coulda, woulda, shoulda speculation.

Mr. Nadal's did get an easy draw in 2010, but his performance in the 2010 US Open Final was definitely good enough to beat Mr. Djokovic.
It was a very mysterious enhanced performance from him, especially regarding his service.
His 1st service speed in the 2010 Final AVERAGED a near miraculous 126 mph, which is 19 mph higher than his average 1st service speed in the 2011 Final.
He's come nowhere close to that speed since. Why?

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Don´t know if you just don´t have right statistics or are you purposely trolling here

http://2010.usopen.org/en_US/scores/...21/1701ms.html

How you can see 116MP was Rafa´s 1st serve average, Nole had 117MPH

Here is last USO F between them, we can see both were serving averagely even slower than in 2010 but your numbers are wrong...

http://2011.usopen.org/en_US/scores/...21/1701ms.html
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USO semis defeats to djoko, having 4 MPs in total, with serve and against, must have been insanely painful to roger.

as we see by this comment.
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Well, he certainly should have won in 2010: as people have pointed out, Nadull's form in that tournament is hugely overrated, & Federer prefers to return a pacier serve, especially on a fast surface - he makes errors when he tries to generate his own pace off the return, as has happened again & again returning slow spinning Nadal serves on clay, but he uses a bigger server's own pace against him. Having said that, we can never underestimate Roger's ability to lose to Nadal. In 2011, a "mistake" with the painting resulted in the slowest U.S.O. ever, so I don't see Roger winning that. All in all, winning at least one is a fair conjecture, at least if Roger is putting his horrific choking tendencies against Nadull out of his mind - & why not?
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Maybe, maybe not. 2 years without a Grand Slam suggests to me that at the back end of these events, one or the other of Djokovic and Nadal has his number. Even if he beats Djokovic, as he did at the French last year, he still then gets walloped by Nadal in the final. We've seen that on anything but a low-bouncing indoor court, Nadal still has Federer's number, and while Djokovic struggles with Federer, he can beat him in these big moments. So I don't go along with his theory, personally, and the outlook for Roger picking up more slams seems increasingly bleak.
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On the MTF debate I just want to mention that outdoors, Fed has always played Nadal on slow hardcourts, i.e. Miami (and first time he was ill) and the Australian Open, plus only once in Dubai.

When Fed won against him comparing to when Nadal won is generally summarized by "outdoors/indoors"

but nobody knows if the distinction is not rather "quick outdoors / slow outdoors".

Fed and Nadal never played against each other in the US Open, Cinci, Toronto/Montreal, Shanghai.

The Fed-Nadal H2H is like that : hugely biased in surfaces, yet will always be remembered as it finally happened to be.

Was a benediction of God for Nadal : both great match-up and surfaces exactly made for him.

If Fed had not been there, Nadal would have been much lowly considered.

That said, Fed might have won one of these finals now, might have, and I'm one who can never imagine Fed beating Nadal before they play, including before their WTF match
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while Djokovic struggles with Federer, he can beat him in these big moments.
"can" is the right word but generally the word is strangely understood oin MTF, and I can see from the general form of what you write that you do understand it here in that strange way.

Fed "could" have won the match points against Djokovic, as Djokovic "could" have won the French open semifinal, there's nothing scientific about all that, as usually the analysts make it look afterwards
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"can" is the right word but generally the word is strangely understood oin MTF, and I can see from the general form of what you write that you do understand it here in that strange way.

Fed "could" have won the match points against Djokovic, as Djokovic "could" have won the French open semifinal, there's nothing scientific about all that, as usually the analysts make it look afterwards
Not sure what you mean by this.

My point, in a nutshell, was, that it seems like if Djokovic doesn't stop Roger, e.g. RG 11, then Nadal will. But Djokovic might stop him first. Might not. But one of the two will do, unless Roger doesn't even get that far (RG 10, Wimbledon 10, 11). Always a bit silly to project forward based on the past, but in the last 8 slams Roger hasn't made it to the SF 3 times, been stopped by Nadal twice, and stopped by Novak 3 times. He has enough trouble beating one of them in slams now, beating both seems like a big ask. This assumes all three get that far in the draw but Nadal and Djokovic have been very consistent at doing so this last several slams.
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