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Old 03-07-2012, 12:29 PM   #1
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Default What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

I mean, court-wise and Fed-form-wise.
That guy won it in 04-06 and never after managed to get to the final...
Was it something completely changed/wrong with the swiss or the court has changed drastically since?
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Old 03-07-2012, 12:30 PM   #2
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Default Re: What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

Difference is between peak & decline.
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Default Re: What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

He can't serve his way out of trouble in these tournaments.
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Old 03-07-2012, 12:34 PM   #4
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Default Re: What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

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Difference is between peak & decline.
maybe you're right, but he managed, post 06-07, to do good in tourneys like cincy, wtf, aussie open, basel after several years of losses...not in IW, though...miami also...
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Old 03-07-2012, 12:36 PM   #5
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He can't serve his way out of trouble in these tournaments.
and maybe because the top dogs are in full flight mode during the north american spring HC season, usually healthy, eager to win and mentally fresh? I'm not saying that's the explanation, just asking...i'm sure some tards like we know who would agree with it...
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Default Re: What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

Has nothing to do with top dogs. Olderer playing on faster courts has huge advantage because he has the best serve out of murray/nadal/djoke. If every hc masters 1000 had dubai surface he would have many more of them
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Has nothing to do with top dogs. Olderer playing on faster courts has huge advantage because he has the best serve out of murray/nadal/djoke. If every hc masters 1000 had dubai surface he would have many more of them
Completely agree, thats why he is better at Cincy than Canada (slower than Cincy) too.
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Default Re: What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

Surface, peak/decline of course.

But also Fed came back from mono in 2008 (lost to Fish and Roddick, and had not played in february in 2009 (withdrew from Dubai, I don't remember which problem he had) and 2010 (lung infection).

And he has not done that great in summer tournaments either

Nadal doesn't like Cinci and has his peak period finished after Wimbledon. Djokovic is usually fitter in march than in summer.
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he is not playing against roddick and hewitt anymore.
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Default Re: What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

I'm not so sure about IW...but I KNOW that MIAMI / Key Biscaine was the Fastest or one of the fastest Masters tournaments...up to 06...Last year was a the slowest HC in the history of tenis - hence the outcome of the Fed-Nadal match where he was disgusted with the court and himself...
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he is not playing against roddick and hewitt anymore.
he lost to Roddick in Miami 2008

And Roddick won Miami in 2010 and lost the final in Indian Wells.
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I'm not so sure about IW...but I KNOW that MIAMI / Key Biscaine was the Fastest or one of the fastest Masters tournaments...up to 06...Last year was a the slowest HC in the history of tenis - hence the outcome of the Fed-Nadal match where he was disgusted with the court and himself...
I'm afraid you are wrong here, Miami has historically been one of the slowest hard court tournament ever. Usual high humidity over there make it even slower than Indian Wells.
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Default Re: What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

Most of the big tournaments were slowed down.What the hell on earth did spark from the heads of the organizers?No idea.
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maybe you're right, but he managed, post 06-07, to do good in tourneys like cincy, wtf, aussie open, basel after several years of losses...not in IW, though...miami also...
Cincy, WTF, Basel are fast/indoors/low-bouncing, A.O. is a slam. Indian Wells & Miami are slow high-bouncing outdoor tournaments & it is on slow hard courts that Federer's decline has been most pronounced.
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Default Re: What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

The opponents in 04-06 were Roddick,Hewitt, Nalbandian, Safin
The opponents in 07 and beyond is Nole and Rafa

Go Figure!!!
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